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Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by DavidVoid »

sebmellen wrote: post #173
cies wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you want law to protect people that say "all X should be killed", then X is not demonstrably super violent/intolerant in the first place? Let's say someone campaigns that all people that have gay sex should be killed: do you want this "speech" protected? Well: I dont. That's why I think "intolerance of the intolerant" is good. Most law books in developed democracies agree with me. White supremacists, racists, fasc…

Yes, I do, actually. We have a number of tiny fringe groups like this in the US, such as the Westboro Baptist Church, which would surely be illegal in most of Europe. I will defend their full right to speech so I can have my full right to speech. In Europe, free speech laws shut down leftist activists, not just "white supremacists, racists, fascists, extreme wahabists/salafits". I think this is a strawman and an idea…

> Should it be criminal to identify as a communist or nationalist in Germany?

It seems somewhat likely that it'll become illegal to identify as a communist in the US, since, as of two days ago [1], Communist Party members are no longer allowed to enter the country.

[1] https://www.uscis.gov/news/alerts/uscis-issues-policy-guidan...

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by philips4350 »

callmeal wrote: post #46

For those not familiar with Aaron's writing, first read this: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/handwritingwall Then continue here: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/rawnerve

Wow thank you so much for this, I have only read the first chapter of the second link and I see so many similarities to what I am going through or thinking.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by approxim8ion »

squarefoot wrote: post #26

Just the one question: alternatives? Not necessarily already established and crowded platform, but also free and open, privacy friendly ones that can be slowly brought to self sustaining levels by enthusiasts, so that they can attract normal users.

Lemmy [1] is still in beta but is open source, self-hostable, and very usable already, and has federation with ActivityPub on the roadmap. There is a main instance up at [2] with a number of offshoots already.

1: https://github.com/LemmyNet

2: https://dev.lemmy.ml

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by wolfgke »

DavidVoid wrote: post #235
nhylated wrote: post #96

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http://voat.co/

It's only a good alternative if you're looking to hang out with people who really like to use the n-word and who believe that everything is Jewish conspiracy.

> It's only a good alternative if you're looking to hang out with people who really like to use the n-word and who believe that everything is Jewish conspiracy.

This was not uncommon on Reddit before Reddit became more streamlined. :-)

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by 3131s »

akarma wrote: post #89
cryptica wrote: post #9

Most of the elites are weak, cowardly and selfish hypocrites. There is no way they'll be able to stop the upcoming revolution. They'll fall like dominoes the minute the tension starts to rise... If you're an elite and you have any strength at all, you'd better start throwing your buddies under the bus soon. It's going to be you or them. They're so weak and so selfish, you don't have much time left before they start t…

> There is no way they'll be able to stop the upcoming revolution. As someone who grew up poor in America, these talks about “revolution” have always perplexed me. We have one of the highest median incomes in the world, and we live in a country that pushes much of the world forward in terms of technological progress. People have always flocked to America for opportunity, and if we cut welfare so we can expand immigra…

Did you know that other countries have grocery stores too?

> People have always flocked to America for opportunity, and if we cut welfare so we can expand immigration again, I guarantee there will be another giant influx.

And how are welfare and immigration related?

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by DavidVoid »

ethanwillis wrote: post #239
DavidVoid wrote: post #231

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Not 100% sure but probably because the top mod was an anti-semite and 9/11 truther. It doesn't seem like it was a particularly active sub though.

It's interesting that your rationale is so similar to the same old propaganda. If you're going to make those claims you should source it, otherwise it's just a convenient way to dismiss this without really engaging. In 1987, Tottle published his controversial book as Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: the Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard, in which he asserts that claims the Holodomor was an intentional genocid…

I'm definitely not denying the Holodomor or any of Stalin's crimes. But unfortunately some of the people who are most adamant about spreading information about the Holdomor are not doing so to spread information about the atrocity, but rather to spread their own anti-semitic propaganda.

u/soccer was a moderator of r/911truth and, according to archived versions of their user page, posted quite a lot of links to "Israel did 9/11" conspiracy websites like https://careandwashingofthebrain.blogspot.

r/uncensorednews essentially did the same thing. It posed as an "unbiased" source of news but the sub's creator and top moderator was pretty clearly pushing his own neo-nazi views.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by ChrisKnott »

swebs wrote: post #240
ChrisKnott wrote: post #232

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This is a very misleading characterization of what happened. It was not secret, it was on one occasion, and it was to make a light-hearted joke at the expense of /r/The_Donald users who were calling him a paedophile. It was a massive error of judgement, but you have tried to make out it was some kind of on-going political subterfuge.

But that may have well just been the first incident where he was caught red handed. Who knows how many other incidents he got away with? I have no faith in the integrity of reddit administration, especially Spez. The fact that he wasn't fired immediately means reddit staff does not take these issues seriously.

Again, you say "caught red handed" like it was something he was doing secretly. What he did was change every instance of "fuck /u/spez" to "fuck the /r/the_donald mods".

He did this because he lost patience in the face of mass online harassment. He immediately apologized.

I just wanted to make clear to anybody passing by - who wants to know what actually happened - that the narrative you are pushing is not supported by evidence. Of course, if you are prepared to "who knows" something without evidence, then in the world of digital information you can suppose practically anything.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by ethanwillis »

DavidVoid wrote: post #246
ethanwillis wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's interesting that your rationale is so similar to the same old propaganda. If you're going to make those claims you should source it, otherwise it's just a convenient way to dismiss this without really engaging. In 1987, Tottle published his controversial book as Fraud, Famine, and Fascism: the Ukrainian Genocide Myth from Hitler to Harvard, in which he asserts that claims the Holodomor was an intentional genocid…

I'm definitely not denying the Holodomor or any of Stalin's crimes. But unfortunately some of the people who are most adamant about spreading information about the Holdomor are not doing so to spread information about the atrocity, but rather to spread their own anti-semitic propaganda. u/soccer was a moderator of r/911truth and, according to archived versions of their user page, posted quite a lot of links to "Israe…

I'm going to take your claims at face value. Let's say this is all 100% correct. Maybe then the prudent action is not to ban a subreddit that is a valid topic, but instead to ban users who have a history of behavior that's not acceptable?

In fact, Reddit does ban users including u/soccer. To conflate r/911truth and r/Holodomor isn't fully honest.

Edit: Meanwhile this exists - http://reddit.com/r/stalindidnothingwrong

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by sbmthakur »

squarefoot wrote: post #26

Just the one question: alternatives? Not necessarily already established and crowded platform, but also free and open, privacy friendly ones that can be slowly brought to self sustaining levels by enthusiasts, so that they can attract normal users.

ruqqus.com

It's in beta though.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by DrJones1098 »

luckylion wrote: post #182
cies wrote: post #127

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> I would argue that your argument is nice in theory, nonsense in practicality. Well, it already is encoded in law. Most countries prohibit hate speech and/or inciting violence, while most people consider that free speech is protected in those places. So it's already practical. > Who decides what speech is hateful or violent and should be limited? You, me, Donald Trump, Joe Biden, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un ? This gets…

> Well, it already is encoded in law. Most countries prohibit hate speech and/or inciting violence, while most people consider that free speech is protected in those places. Depends. Germany for example takes a similar route as Reddit does. If you're Turkish, you're allowed to say "Germans are a dog race" when the German parliament recognize the fact that Turkey committed genocide against the Armenians (hey, fun fact…

This is the exact problem I'm talking about. Millions of people all are arbitraily classified as Germans or Turks just because they were born in a geographical region... most of them did not participate and had zero connection to any genocides.

But their free speech can be infringed upon simply because they've been labeled a certain way by other human beings, no matter how accurate or inaccurate.

As much as we would like to censor speech that sounds horrible to us you can't because it's such a slippery slope.

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