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Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by dmurray »

qz2 wrote: post #16
trabant00 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months [...] I didn't get COVID and I feel a lot more switched on and focused You lost your causation vs correlation sense though :)

Nailed it. A lot of the "I did this and it had great effects" are compounded with "I did this and it ruined my life" and a bit of "I did this and it ruined my life and everyone around me" . I suspect the human mind is tailored to promote the first outcome and stick it's fingers in its metaphorical ears about the last two outcomes. Turns out we need actual formal studies and even those aren't necessarily conclusive so…

> I suspect the human mind is tailored to promote the first outcome and stick it's fingers in its metaphorical ears about the last two outcomes.

It's more complicated than that. Plenty of people hear the bad outcomes and stick their fingers in their ears about the good ones. The subject of recreational drug use is a particularly good one for eliciting this behaviour, both for and against.

The interesting questions are how people in the same society get primed for one reaction over the other, and how we can individually avoid this behaviour and approach controversial topics with an open mind.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by animal_spirits »

Ygg2 wrote: post #18
quantumwoke wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. There are obviously many such factors involved in our integration with the environment. Why couldn't it be psilocybin (or other nootropic compound) that pushes us towards a more sustainable future with fewer mental health/chronic pain issues? This is a classic HN takedown of an otherwise interesting post.

It's still the argument based on consumption. Let's consume X, surely that will sort our issue of emitting too much CO2. Edit: not to mention. Our environmental problems aren't consumption or conscience, or even technology based, but lack of political will.

Why do you think there is a lack of political will? Is it possible that these kinds of conscious altering plants can change the ideals of politicians to not be solely focused on playing the political game in order to continue to work? I think its more than worth exploring alternatives to allow the people who rule us to have an expanded conscious on how they can impact the lives of the people in their communities. Many people who have taken psychedelics, especially psilocybin have claimed it is a life changing experience for the better.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by akvadrako »

trabant00 wrote: post #9

I'm sorry but this is just hippy nonsense. It's not the lack of mental integration into nature that is stopping us from taking care of the enverionment. And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us. The real issues include: not being able to stop production and consumption for obvious reasons. Energy production and distribution logistics. Understanding natural ecosystems and setting priorit…

> And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us.

For you. A lot of people don't see what's around them on a daily basis, good or bad. Mushrooms can help with that since they remove a lot of the filters we have built up.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by okamiueru »

PakG1 wrote: post #24
trabant00 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months [...] I didn't get COVID and I feel a lot more switched on and focused You lost your causation vs correlation sense though :)

This sounds too much like Billions season 5 episode 7. Uncanny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtJNljm1pVs

Is that clip indicative of the quality of the show?

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by bluntfang »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #22
browsergrip wrote: post #6

Paul stamets is also the name of the Astromycologist on Star trek discovery.

Yeah, I have a feeling that's why I see his name so often on HN these days. The show propelled him to wider recognition.

Joe Rogan did more for his general populace celebrity status than Star Trek

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by throwaway316943 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #22
browsergrip wrote: post #6

Paul stamets is also the name of the Astromycologist on Star trek discovery.

Yeah, I have a feeling that's why I see his name so often on HN these days. The show propelled him to wider recognition.

Lol, sure, must be from Star Trek.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by Out_of_Characte »

BrianOnHN wrote: post #17
quantumwoke wrote: post #2

I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months during quarantine as a bit of a cognitive experiment. I feel a lot more switched on and focused in my work. Reading these posts I wonder what other diseases such as Parkinson's, seizures, PTSD, depression, anxiety have yet to be studied and require more research. Can anyone speak to this? Anything else I should add to my stack?

What size micro dose? Personally, I've concluded I cannot be productive with even as little as 100-200mg of cubes.

mcg, I presume. But 200mcg is a really high dose. 10-20 would be a microdose for most. I hope you test your stuff and have the right potency because your comment doesn't sound right.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by chrisweekly »

quantumwoke wrote: post #2

I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months during quarantine as a bit of a cognitive experiment. I feel a lot more switched on and focused in my work. Reading these posts I wonder what other diseases such as Parkinson's, seizures, PTSD, depression, anxiety have yet to be studied and require more research. Can anyone speak to this? Anything else I should add to my stack?

Lots of questions; top 2:

How did you get started?

Is there a reasonably safe (both medically and legally) way to source it?

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by notahacker »

animal_spirits wrote: post #32
Ygg2 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still the argument based on consumption. Let's consume X, surely that will sort our issue of emitting too much CO2. Edit: not to mention. Our environmental problems aren't consumption or conscience, or even technology based, but lack of political will.

Why do you think there is a lack of political will? Is it possible that these kinds of conscious altering plants can change the ideals of politicians to not be solely focused on playing the political game in order to continue to work? I think its more than worth exploring alternatives to allow the people who rule us to have an expanded conscious on how they can impact the lives of the people in their communities. Man…

> Why do you think there is a lack of political will?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say because getting countries as diverse as the US, China and Saudi Arabia to consent to shutting down the industrialised world and people to accept not having nice things is incredibly difficult, and carbon capture solutions which might be more politically palatable are less proven plays a bigger role in the climate continuing to change than politicians not taking psychedelic drugs.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by f69281c »

trabant00 wrote: post #4
quantumwoke wrote: post #2

I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months during quarantine as a bit of a cognitive experiment. I feel a lot more switched on and focused in my work. Reading these posts I wonder what other diseases such as Parkinson's, seizures, PTSD, depression, anxiety have yet to be studied and require more research. Can anyone speak to this? Anything else I should add to my stack?

> I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months [...] I didn't get COVID and I feel a lot more switched on and focused You lost your causation vs correlation sense though :)

The self-reported positive effects hallucinogens are awful.

They alter your perception so your perception of perceived benefits is unreliable, and anyone who's not tripping can tell you that. I mean, with full doses the reported benefits are things like connecting with the thread of the universe and speaking across planes to dimensional beings that inform you that we're all one, but the word fractal is jammed in there somewhere. I'm not saying these people can't have fun, but pulling THAT experience back to just reduced levels of the drug is probably still going to give terrible accuracy for self reported results.

Microdosing reminds me of those people who left high school parties saying it was fine because they drive better drunk, or that they took some coke to balance it out.

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