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Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by quantumwoke »

trabant00 wrote: post #9

I'm sorry but this is just hippy nonsense. It's not the lack of mental integration into nature that is stopping us from taking care of the enverionment. And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us. The real issues include: not being able to stop production and consumption for obvious reasons. Energy production and distribution logistics. Understanding natural ecosystems and setting priorit…

I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. There are obviously many such factors involved in our integration with the environment. Why couldn't it be psilocybin (or other nootropic compound) that pushes us towards a more sustainable future with fewer mental health/chronic pain issues? This is a classic HN takedown of an otherwise interesting post.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by dkersten »

dmos62 wrote: post #5
quantumwoke wrote: post #2

I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months during quarantine as a bit of a cognitive experiment. I feel a lot more switched on and focused in my work. Reading these posts I wonder what other diseases such as Parkinson's, seizures, PTSD, depression, anxiety have yet to be studied and require more research. Can anyone speak to this? Anything else I should add to my stack?

Nice to have such a steady access to psilocybin. Why not LSD, by the way? > I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months, [...] I didn't get COVID. Made me laugh.

> Why not LSD

At least this [1] suggests that LSD microdosing doesn’t do anything, while there have been a few studies that suggested psilocybin micrososing does. Dunno how strong the evidence is in either direction but that would make me more inclined to start with psilocybin if I were to experiment myself.

[1] https://www.gwern.net/LSD-microdosing#conclusion

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by NeutronStar »

quantumwoke wrote: post #8
emteycz wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't the tolerance to LSD built way too fast for daily (micro)usage over half a year?

Not sure what other people are using, but I've worked up to about 64mcg/day.

100mcg is usually a full dose. Usually micrososing is 1/10th of a typical full dose so 10mcg. Your tolerance is already quite high if you're at 64mcg/day and not actively feeling any tripping.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by qz2 »

trabant00 wrote: post #4
quantumwoke wrote: post #2

I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months during quarantine as a bit of a cognitive experiment. I feel a lot more switched on and focused in my work. Reading these posts I wonder what other diseases such as Parkinson's, seizures, PTSD, depression, anxiety have yet to be studied and require more research. Can anyone speak to this? Anything else I should add to my stack?

> I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months [...] I didn't get COVID and I feel a lot more switched on and focused You lost your causation vs correlation sense though :)

Nailed it.

A lot of the "I did this and it had great effects" are compounded with "I did this and it ruined my life" and a bit of "I did this and it ruined my life and everyone around me". I suspect the human mind is tailored to promote the first outcome and stick it's fingers in its metaphorical ears about the last two outcomes.

Turns out we need actual formal studies and even those aren't necessarily conclusive so it's best to err on the side of caution.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by BrianOnHN »

quantumwoke wrote: post #2

I've been microdosing psilocybin daily for the past six months during quarantine as a bit of a cognitive experiment. I feel a lot more switched on and focused in my work. Reading these posts I wonder what other diseases such as Parkinson's, seizures, PTSD, depression, anxiety have yet to be studied and require more research. Can anyone speak to this? Anything else I should add to my stack?

What size micro dose?

Personally, I've concluded I cannot be productive with even as little as 100-200mg of cubes.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by Ygg2 »

quantumwoke wrote: post #11
trabant00 wrote: post #9

I'm sorry but this is just hippy nonsense. It's not the lack of mental integration into nature that is stopping us from taking care of the enverionment. And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us. The real issues include: not being able to stop production and consumption for obvious reasons. Energy production and distribution logistics. Understanding natural ecosystems and setting priorit…

I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. There are obviously many such factors involved in our integration with the environment. Why couldn't it be psilocybin (or other nootropic compound) that pushes us towards a more sustainable future with fewer mental health/chronic pain issues? This is a classic HN takedown of an otherwise interesting post.

It's still the argument based on consumption. Let's consume X, surely that will sort our issue of emitting too much CO2.

Edit: not to mention. Our environmental problems aren't consumption or conscience, or even technology based, but lack of political will.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by lostmsu »

quantumwoke wrote: post #11
trabant00 wrote: post #9

I'm sorry but this is just hippy nonsense. It's not the lack of mental integration into nature that is stopping us from taking care of the enverionment. And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us. The real issues include: not being able to stop production and consumption for obvious reasons. Energy production and distribution logistics. Understanding natural ecosystems and setting priorit…

I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. There are obviously many such factors involved in our integration with the environment. Why couldn't it be psilocybin (or other nootropic compound) that pushes us towards a more sustainable future with fewer mental health/chronic pain issues? This is a classic HN takedown of an otherwise interesting post.

I don't see how psylocybin is any different than cucumbers or alternative medicine, unless we confirm otherwise with rigorous studies. While they might be out there, this piece is not one of them.

Re: Paul Stamets on the interrelationship among mushrooms, consciousness, and nature

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Post by notahacker »

quantumwoke wrote: post #11
trabant00 wrote: post #9

I'm sorry but this is just hippy nonsense. It's not the lack of mental integration into nature that is stopping us from taking care of the enverionment. And you don't need to trip on mushrooms to see the filth all arround us. The real issues include: not being able to stop production and consumption for obvious reasons. Energy production and distribution logistics. Understanding natural ecosystems and setting priorit…

I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations. There are obviously many such factors involved in our integration with the environment. Why couldn't it be psilocybin (or other nootropic compound) that pushes us towards a more sustainable future with fewer mental health/chronic pain issues? This is a classic HN takedown of an otherwise interesting post.

> I find it best to argue in good faith when coming to these kinds of low-data conversations.

Nobody on here would say the same about arguments in favour of the magical power of acai berry, and I see no reason why we should treat even more extraordinary zero-data claims of a 'self taught, uncredentialled' guy who sells mushroom based supplements for a living[1] with a greater degree of deference.

There's actual research going on into psychedelics potentially benefiting people with depression or Alzheimers, but we don't need to put people explaining that mass consumption of psychoactives is a viable alternative to industrialisation and will create more Einsteins on the same pedestal

[1]https://fungi.com/pages/about-us

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