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Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by bonzini »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #57
xevrem wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

honestly, i would say the banning of thedonald is clearly a response to The Paradox of Tolerance rather than not supporting free-speech. you cannot be tolerant of the intolerant if you want free speech to survive.

The Paradox of Tolerance refers to the intolerant using violence to physically make it impossible for the tolerant to exist. Unclear to me how banning a subreddit is remotely related.

The_donald at some point was basically squatting the entire front page and making it unusable.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by anticristi »

secondcoming wrote: post #49
dogma1138 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TBH the platform itself doesn’t lend particularly well to free speech by penalizing unpopular opinions through karma. Ironically I think HN is worse in this regard by greying out posts once they get to -1, I often find out that sorting by controversial on many topics gives you the most interesting read on reddit. I would actually love if both HN and Reddit allowed you to see a Karma graph for each post.

Any upvote/downvote concept on online content is flawed because it does not show the historical score of a post over time. Even here on HN I can post something during GMT business hours that gets scored based on the views of HN's readership at that time, but when the US wakes up the score can change dramatically. Essentially, the US west coast can have the 'final say' because of its timezone and probably larger user…

Not sure this is a studied problem, but I feel English-speaking forums/social media/conferences are extremely biased towards the views of US west coast tech. With some issues, the rest of the world has moved on, e.g., by not selling guns / not arming the police.

I find myself reading online articles in languages I don't command well, just to get a break from the one-and-only view.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by [deleted] »

xevrem wrote: post #50
sebmellen wrote: post #4

Reddit is very clearly not in favour of free speech: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/reddit-bans-thedonald-and-... . Aaron Swartz was very clearly in favour of free speech: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/becausewecan . I think the reasons for this are self-evident.

honestly, i would say the banning of thedonald is clearly a response to The Paradox of Tolerance rather than not supporting free-speech. you cannot be tolerant of the intolerant if you want free speech to survive.

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Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by mantap »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #28

Reddit today is the opposite of what it was in the beginning. Unsurprising that they’d write out Swartz in their quest to be a friendly corporate face. Alas, a new competitor will replace it soon. Virtually no one has brand loyalty to Reddit and their audience is becoming narrower and narrower.

Considering that Reddit's own popularity was boosted by Digg's collapse due to unpopular changes and dysfunction, you'd think that Reddit would be more aware of the risks of pursuing an antagonistic relationship with their users.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by valvar »

raverbashing wrote: post #55
sebmellen wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shutting down platforms for discussion is quite literally restricting free speech. If you want to argue Reddit has a right to do that, sure. But that's not the argument.

> Shutting down platforms for discussion is quite literally restricting free speech In the same way as "anti-maskers" take wearing one as being choked by the neck and are feigning fainting, taking the trash out of your platform, be it T_D or CTH does not make it "restricting free speech"

Do you have an actual argument, or is your view simply that it's not restricting free speech if it's bad speech?

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by ChrisKnott »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #28

Reddit today is the opposite of what it was in the beginning. Unsurprising that they’d write out Swartz in their quest to be a friendly corporate face. Alas, a new competitor will replace it soon. Virtually no one has brand loyalty to Reddit and their audience is becoming narrower and narrower.

Do you have a source for "their audience is becoming narrower and narrower"?

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by rXoX »

xevrem wrote: post #50
sebmellen wrote: post #4

Reddit is very clearly not in favour of free speech: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/reddit-bans-thedonald-and-... . Aaron Swartz was very clearly in favour of free speech: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/becausewecan . I think the reasons for this are self-evident.

honestly, i would say the banning of thedonald is clearly a response to The Paradox of Tolerance rather than not supporting free-speech. you cannot be tolerant of the intolerant if you want free speech to survive.

Pfft. LOL. Read Nadine Strossen. Learn a little. Stop using phrases you heard somebody dumber than you say.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by sebmellen »

valvar wrote: post #60
xevrem wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

honestly, i would say the banning of thedonald is clearly a response to The Paradox of Tolerance rather than not supporting free-speech. you cannot be tolerant of the intolerant if you want free speech to survive.

No, the utterly ridiculous "paradox of tolerance" is just a bad cope for people who truly do not believe in free speech. "Free speech" which only applies to your predefined set of approved speech is not free speech, but a monstrous parody of it. The purpose of free speech is to enable dissent, not to affirm the status quo.

To piggyback on this, here is a quote from Karl Popper (the "discoverer" of the Paradox of Tolerance):

> I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Post by li4ick »

bonzini wrote: post #61
ceilingcorner wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Paradox of Tolerance refers to the intolerant using violence to physically make it impossible for the tolerant to exist. Unclear to me how banning a subreddit is remotely related.

The_donald at some point was basically squatting the entire front page and making it unusable.

because reddit programmers are so bad they couldn't just add an _if_ statement, or a limit?
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