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Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#31
I don't view young college educated founders of massive social media sites to be a thing to boast about any longer.

Also technically the slide is correct, they bought/absorbed Aaron's company iirc - although there wouldn't be Reddit without that act.

It's blatant propaganda from a propaganda company though so what's new.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#32
post #14

Reddit is very clearly not in favour of free speech: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/reddit-bans-thedonald-and-... . Aaron Swartz was very clearly in favour of free speech: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/becausewecan . I think the reasons for this are self-evident.

Free speech stands against the financial interests of social media. Reddit is the real estate for ads, and the best value for top global advertisers are safe spaces that are free of controversy. In the end, it's the advertisers that decide what is allowed to be published there.

Unless you’re willing to pay for it you can’t have social media that isn’t a real estate for ads or at least some sort of commercial interest.

Arguably even HN despite being technically a pro-bono side project serves the commercial interest of YC (and possibly others) if it didn’t and especially if it would have a negative impact on them it wouldn’t be around.

And HN is a very niche social media (if you can even call it that) with strict rules.

Anything with wider appeal has to be monetized.

The only monetization we have for the Internet is attention/value extraction from the user base.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#33

Just the one question: alternatives? Not necessarily already established and crowded platform, but also free and open, privacy friendly ones that can be slowly brought to self sustaining levels by enthusiasts, so that they can attract normal users.

Some users migrated to alternatives when reddit began mass-banning subs for the first time.

All turned into cesspools full of nazis and fascists focused almost exclusively on hate speech, or died due to inactivity.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

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I thought it really was founded by those two, and written in Lisp at that. Then YC hooked them up with Swartz and his big thing was rewriting in python. (And maybe there was some contention about this? I forget, but I seem to recall some drama at the time about his contributions.) It was a long time ago, though, so I might be misremembering. In any case, I'm fairly certain Swartz did join after the fact, but I'm not…

In Aaron Swartz's own words from May 2007 > One of the points of the merger was that we would all call ourselves co-founders, so that's what I've been doing. I'd be happy to stop if that's what Steve and Alexis wanted, though. https://www.reddit.com/r/reddit.com/comments/1octb/reddit_co... This comment by spez is also interesting https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/d2njs/til_th... It seems AS was given th…

From Alexis Ohanian interview in 2006:

> Paul wanted to give Aaron Swartz, another YC founder, a birthday gift in November. More than anything else, Aaron wanted co-founder so Paul suggested the “merger”. Merger is probably a bit hyperbolic for what actually happened, Aaron basically moved in with us and we made him a co-founder.

> http://web.archive.org/web/20070823200504/http://startupstor...

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This sub being shut has nothing to do with restricting free speech, isn't it ?

Shutting down platforms for discussion is quite literally restricting free speech. If you want to argue Reddit has a right to do that, sure. But that's not the argument.

TBH the platform itself doesn’t lend particularly well to free speech by penalizing unpopular opinions through karma. Ironically I think HN is worse in this regard by greying out posts once they get to -1, I often find out that sorting by controversial on many topics gives you the most interesting read on reddit.

I would actually love if both HN and Reddit allowed you to see a Karma graph for each post.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#36
post #6

I thought it really was founded by those two, and written in Lisp at that. Then YC hooked them up with Swartz and his big thing was rewriting in python. (And maybe there was some contention about this? I forget, but I seem to recall some drama at the time about his contributions.) It was a long time ago, though, so I might be misremembering. In any case, I'm fairly certain Swartz did join after the fact, but I'm not…

I found an Observer article[1] from 2011 that gives some more insight. It looks to me that Aaron could indeed be considered a Reddit co-founder. However, Huffman and Ohanian may have felt threatened by being associated to the criminal later on, so they went with a new narrative.

[1]: https://observer.com/2011/07/rumors-acquisitions-did-reddit-...

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#37
post #6

I thought it really was founded by those two, and written in Lisp at that. Then YC hooked them up with Swartz and his big thing was rewriting in python. (And maybe there was some contention about this? I forget, but I seem to recall some drama at the time about his contributions.) It was a long time ago, though, so I might be misremembering. In any case, I'm fairly certain Swartz did join after the fact, but I'm not…

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Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#38
post #14

Reddit is very clearly not in favour of free speech: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/reddit-bans-thedonald-and-... . Aaron Swartz was very clearly in favour of free speech: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/becausewecan . I think the reasons for this are self-evident.

Free speech stands against the financial interests of social media. Reddit is the real estate for ads, and the best value for top global advertisers are safe spaces that are free of controversy. In the end, it's the advertisers that decide what is allowed to be published there.

Having advertisers control online narrative is very worrying and an unintended consequence of Brand Safety. There is no financial reason for reddit or youtube to distribute content they can't monetise, especially if that content is popular.

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#39

Just the one question: alternatives? Not necessarily already established and crowded platform, but also free and open, privacy friendly ones that can be slowly brought to self sustaining levels by enthusiasts, so that they can attract normal users.

https://tildes.net/

Re: Reddit’s About page doesn't include Aaron Swartz as a founder

#40
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free speech stands against the financial interests of social media. Reddit is the real estate for ads, and the best value for top global advertisers are safe spaces that are free of controversy. In the end, it's the advertisers that decide what is allowed to be published there.

Unless you’re willing to pay for it you can’t have social media that isn’t a real estate for ads or at least some sort of commercial interest. Arguably even HN despite being technically a pro-bono side project serves the commercial interest of YC (and possibly others) if it didn’t and especially if it would have a negative impact on them it wouldn’t be around. And HN is a very niche social media (if you can even call…

HN is a very strictly policed safe space.
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