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Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by ncmncm »

blonde_ocean wrote: post #27
ncmncm wrote: post #21

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How people maintained consistent culture--judging from cave paintings--across tens of millennia and thousands of miles, in and out of ice ages, is an enduring mystery. There really is no shortage of mysteries, although archaeologists don't like to talk about them. That Denisovan bracelet from tens of millennia ago, with a hole drilled by a method not reinvented until historical times, is a new mystery. Miles and mile…

Can you link me some sources to your claims? Super fascinated and I wanna read more!

https://sci-hub.do/https://doi.org/10.1016/j.aeae.2008.07.00...

"It is a common assumption that stone drilling originated during the Upper Paleolithic, but gained the features of a well-developed technology only during the Neolithic. The comparatively archaic method of two-handed drilling was replaced by the more efficient bow drill (Ibid.: 62). The process of stationary drilling, i.e., with the help of the bow drill, did not leave signs of drill vibration. These progressive features have been noted on the Denisova bracelet. It constitutes unique evidence on an unexpectedly early employment of two-sided fast stationary drilling during the Early Upper Paleolithic. All of the other known Paleolithic implements with signs of drilling bear features suggesting relatively slow drilling with a considerable drill vibration."

Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by hdjdbtbgwjsn »

inglor_cz wrote: post #29
user_ wrote: post #15

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Care to share any of the stories? I think you'll find a receptive audience :)

The best one is probably this from the early 2000s. They relied on a paper map only, no smartphones with GPS back then and they did not have any Magellan GPS. Taking a wrong turn somewhere, they added like 40 km to their intended trek, which in that terrain meant two days. They ran out of food and she was so starved that she ate entire tube of her skin cream. Together with a few bugs that made their way into their te…

Southern France/Northern Spain is not a total wilderness. That level hunger after a two day detour implies a serious level of poor planning.

Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by deathgrips »

inglor_cz wrote: post #29
user_ wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to share any of the stories? I think you'll find a receptive audience :)

The best one is probably this from the early 2000s. They relied on a paper map only, no smartphones with GPS back then and they did not have any Magellan GPS. Taking a wrong turn somewhere, they added like 40 km to their intended trek, which in that terrain meant two days. They ran out of food and she was so starved that she ate entire tube of her skin cream. Together with a few bugs that made their way into their te…

Eating skin cream after two days without food? There are people who recreationally fast for that length. There's something missing from this story.

Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by atomack »

Interesting to put this view of the anthropocene next to David Graeber's and how he thinks it shaped the evolution of human society

https://www.eurozine.com/change-course-human-history/

He and David Wengrow ask why "the myth of 'agricultural revolution' remains so persistent, and argue that there is a whole lot more we can learn from our ancestors"

Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by inglor_cz »

deathgrips wrote: post #34
inglor_cz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best one is probably this from the early 2000s. They relied on a paper map only, no smartphones with GPS back then and they did not have any Magellan GPS. Taking a wrong turn somewhere, they added like 40 km to their intended trek, which in that terrain meant two days. They ran out of food and she was so starved that she ate entire tube of her skin cream. Together with a few bugs that made their way into their te…

Eating skin cream after two days without food? There are people who recreationally fast for that length. There's something missing from this story.

She is tough, but very lean. Not that much body fat, so low reserves.

As for fasting. I fast sometimes, but I would not try fasting on a long hike in mountains like Pyrenees. Probably not even Tatras.

Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by inglor_cz »

hdjdbtbgwjsn wrote: post #32
inglor_cz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best one is probably this from the early 2000s. They relied on a paper map only, no smartphones with GPS back then and they did not have any Magellan GPS. Taking a wrong turn somewhere, they added like 40 km to their intended trek, which in that terrain meant two days. They ran out of food and she was so starved that she ate entire tube of her skin cream. Together with a few bugs that made their way into their te…

Southern France/Northern Spain is not a total wilderness. That level hunger after a two day detour implies a serious level of poor planning.

Well, it was their second tour of the Pyrenees. They have come back almost every year since 2001 and learned from their mistakes.

Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by tt433 »

svrb wrote: post #10

TL;DR: TFA claims climate change don't real. Money quotes: "Recent popular conceptions of the Anthropocene risk making a similar mistake, drawing a thin bright line at 1950 and describing what comes after as a new, modern form of ecological disaster." (implying that what's happened after 1950 isn't an ecological disaster) "In the ‘pristine myth’ paradigm ... human societies are recent destroyers, or at the very least…

Your reading was selective and not comprehensive. "Viewing humans and nature as entwined doesn’t mean that we should shrug our shoulders at current climatic trends, unchecked deforestation, accelerating extinction rates or widespread industrial waste. Indeed, archaeology supplies numerous examples of societal and ecosystem collapse: a warning of what happens if we ignore the consequences of human-caused environmental change."

Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by rozab »

svrb wrote: post #10

TL;DR: TFA claims climate change don't real. Money quotes: "Recent popular conceptions of the Anthropocene risk making a similar mistake, drawing a thin bright line at 1950 and describing what comes after as a new, modern form of ecological disaster." (implying that what's happened after 1950 isn't an ecological disaster) "In the ‘pristine myth’ paradigm ... human societies are recent destroyers, or at the very least…

The goal of scientific research is not to score points for your side in a political debate. It is to uncover truth.

Regardless, I think you have misinterpreted this article anyway and it is saying the opposite.

Re: The Deep Anthropocene

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Post by dTal »

deathgrips wrote: post #34
inglor_cz wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best one is probably this from the early 2000s. They relied on a paper map only, no smartphones with GPS back then and they did not have any Magellan GPS. Taking a wrong turn somewhere, they added like 40 km to their intended trek, which in that terrain meant two days. They ran out of food and she was so starved that she ate entire tube of her skin cream. Together with a few bugs that made their way into their te…

Eating skin cream after two days without food? There are people who recreationally fast for that length. There's something missing from this story.

Depending on what's in the skin cream, it might not be an unreasonable thing to do. They often contain not much more than plant fats and stablilizers. Probably the perfume will make it taste foul, but it won't kill you.
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