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Re: Bullshit Jobs

#4

Post by anm89 »

I've come around to not being annoyed at the repeated push for this idiotic idea.

The world is a competitive market place for ideas and the ideas we choose to live by have consequences. And all of the people who pick broken frameworks like this to be primary influences for their own actions just take themselves out of the competitive marketplace to do the interesting stuff out there that there is to do.

Re: Bullshit Jobs

#5

Post by falcor84 »

edoceo wrote: post #3

And a quote by Buckminster Fuller https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/133403-we-should-do-away-wi...

Thanks, it's a great one. I'll paste it here for convenience:

"We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea that everybody has to be employed at some kind of drudgery because, according to Malthusian Darwinian theory he must justify his right to exist. So we have inspectors of inspectors and people making instruments for inspectors to inspect inspectors. The true business of people should be to go back to school and think about whatever it was they were thinking about before somebody came along and told them they had to earn a living."

Re: Bullshit Jobs

#6

Post by seibelj »

No job anyone is willing to pay for is “bullshit”. You may feel bored, annoyed, like your life is a waste, but it isn’t worthless to the employer. There is a reason.

Re: Bullshit Jobs

#7

Post by RgueNkeScientst »

anm89 wrote: post #4

I've come around to not being annoyed at the repeated push for this idiotic idea. The world is a competitive market place for ideas and the ideas we choose to live by have consequences. And all of the people who pick broken frameworks like this to be primary influences for their own actions just take themselves out of the competitive marketplace to do the interesting stuff out there that there is to do.

I'm interested: how do you see it as a broken framework? Are you speaking of those who contest bullshit jobs and use them as an excuse for not working in certain jobs? Or are you referring to something more?

Re: Bullshit Jobs

#8

Post by charles_f »

seibelj wrote: post #6

No job anyone is willing to pay for is “bullshit”. You may feel bored, annoyed, like your life is a waste, but it isn’t worthless to the employer. There is a reason.

You seem not to have read the book, and have the luck of not having been in that situation. Graeber basically describes what is a sand castle where administrative bs begets pointless occupation. Thinking that all expenditures are useful is a vastly simplifying view.

Re: Bullshit Jobs

#9

Post by Proven »

falcor84 wrote: post #5
edoceo wrote: post #3

And a quote by Buckminster Fuller https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/133403-we-should-do-away-wi...

Thanks, it's a great one. I'll paste it here for convenience: "We should do away with the absolutely specious notion that everybody has to earn a living. It is a fact today that one in ten thousand of us can make a technological breakthrough capable of supporting all the rest. The youth of today are absolutely right in recognizing this nonsense of earning a living. We keep inventing jobs because of this false idea th…

Completely awful.

Thankfully we still get to decide what to do with what's left of our paychecks after people like that take away a big chunk of them.

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