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Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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Can we "mutate" a virus to use radioactive isotope of carbon (c-14? something that is not harmful for humans) so that we can observe how viral a virus is? Not an expert on radio isotopes or spectrography or viruses. Note: I know, radioactive virus at this point might freakout people a little.

AFAIK there aren’t methods to do that in vivo, unfortunately.

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Any HVAC company can install this for you right now, or you can buy a kit and do it yourself. A UV light bulb to install in your central air system is an off the shelf product. "Whole house UV air purifier" as a search term will pull these up.

Are these products actually effective though? I mean the duration and intensity required to kill viruses in moving air must be quite high? Or is it just snake oil, like how a lot of hand dryers have bluish/purple LEDs (which emit no UV) that shine on your hands?

I can’t speak to their effectiveness in air, but they work very well for e.g. bacteria in rapidly flowing water. Aquariums have been using them for as long as I can remember.

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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Ok, dumb idea time: suppose that everyone in an office sits on a chair that raises their body to X volts. At the same time a collector mesh is provided at each desk, at -X volts, but shielded so that you can't touch it and shock yourself. What X is large enough to ensure that all the virus particles you cough out end up at the collector? Is it possible to do this without electrocuting everyone?

This seems to assume that virus particles are charged. If they are neutral, they wouldn't be driven in any direction by an electric field. Am I missing something? Is it known that virus particles have a charge?

I think you are missing the OP's assumption that by raising the subject's entire body to +X Volts, any virus particles they breath out will start out with this same positive charge. I'm not sure this assumption is true, but it seems plausible.

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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post #32

Ok, dumb idea time: suppose that everyone in an office sits on a chair that raises their body to X volts. At the same time a collector mesh is provided at each desk, at -X volts, but shielded so that you can't touch it and shock yourself. What X is large enough to ensure that all the virus particles you cough out end up at the collector? Is it possible to do this without electrocuting everyone?

X depends upon the distance between people. (and upon the propensity for the exhaled particles to be neutralized)

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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Ok dumb question why don’t we settle the question by conducting the experiment for covid19?

The article says the TB experiment ran for four years. It isn't clear that you need four years to prove airborne transmission, but it is likely that you need a lot of time.

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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Can we "mutate" a virus to use radioactive isotope of carbon (c-14? something that is not harmful for humans) so that we can observe how viral a virus is? Not an expert on radio isotopes or spectrography or viruses. Note: I know, radioactive virus at this point might freakout people a little.

No need. It mutates itself. The propagation of genetic strains of Covid-19 can be viewed here:

https://nextstrain.org/ncov/global

Our ability to do this for every single Covid-19 case in the universe is, I imagine, limited only by funding/infrastructure/training.

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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This quote from the report should be top of the list of the lesson-learned from this COVID pandemic:

> The current guidance from numerous international and national bodies focuses on hand washing, maintaining social distancing, and droplet precautions. Most public health organizations, including the World Health Organization (WHO) [16], do not recognize airborne transmission except for aerosol-generating procedures performed in healthcare settings. Hand washing and social distancing are appropriate but, in our view, insufficient to provide protection from virus-carrying respiratory microdroplets released into the air by infected people. This problem is especially acute in indoor or enclosed environments, particularly those that are crowded and have inadequate ventilation [17] relative to the number of occupants and extended exposure periods (as graphically depicted in Figure 1). For example, airborne transmission appears to be the only plausible explanation for several superspreading events investigated that occurred under such conditions [10], and others where recommended precautions related to direct droplet transmissions were followed.

Indoor contact, proper veneration, etc causing super-spreader events.

Meanwhile here in Canada they waited until late May to even recommend wearing a mask in such situations (other countries like the US had similar time frames and Dr Fauci openly admitted they withheld this recommendation for the benefit of healthcare workers).

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/it-s-now-recommended-that-ca...

Much like drug prohibition and other grand social control experiments, I'm not convinced the value of being vague or simply straight up not recommending masks in order to keep supply chain available for healthcare workers was ultimately worth the downside.

If supply chains was the issue then spend the government law enforcement power controlling and directing the supply chain for medical quality masks. This 4 month experiment (and I'm being generous there) where Feb, Mar, Apr and most of May they spent creating confusion and not recommending masks ultimately did more harm than good.

Now pundits and online commenters love to attack these anti-mask people when for much of the year expert sources were far from making masks the recommended choice. Including gov-delivered misinformation about their utility in order to explain themselves.

If the pro-social control (ie, lying the public) group thinks it was really stopping the wealthy and connected from completely ignoring these guidelines, then they are lying to themselves. As always with these gov poppet-mastery policies the only losers were the lowest common denominator poor people. Plenty of which still don't funny trust masks.

I would have rather spent four+ months explaining the virtues of masks and explaining the supply problem honestly. Than playing catch up last minute.

The fact Asia who had adopted masks, and never spent any time lying or dodging their public on their utility, have done better than western countries is no surprise. Asian countries had masks well before COVID.

The older I get the more cynical I become about government and intelligentsia 'we know whats best', that includes withholding information (something extra popular in healthcare). All information should be as transparent as possible, regardless of fantasies of controlling it.

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to assume that virus particles are charged. If they are neutral, they wouldn't be driven in any direction by an electric field. Am I missing something? Is it known that virus particles have a charge?

I think you are missing the OP's assumption that by raising the subject's entire body to +X Volts, any virus particles they breath out will start out with this same positive charge. I'm not sure this assumption is true, but it seems plausible.

If you could really positively charge your whole body to +X volts wouldn't that interfere with your nervous system?

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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I was thinking HEPA filtration may already cater for virus's, but with HEPA certification being .3 microns and the COVID-19 virus 0.12 microns, then it gets down to individual air conditioning systems. Some may use ionising in combination or UV. So I foresee a whole raft of legislation and requirements for office spaces ahead. Which will only help drive the work from home long-term as cheaper office space. But also h…

> but with HEPA certification being .3 microns and the COVID-19 virus 0.12 micron HEPA can filter sub-0.3-micron particles, and the effectiveness trends to be even higher than its performance at 0.3 microns. Although it's not certificated, but it's often true from a practical standpoint, due to the physics of mechanical filtration in general. The reason of using 0.3-micron in certification, is because it's the point…

Here's a document from a HEPA filter maker explaining the four mechanisms involved in a little more detail [1].

[1] http://donaldsonaerospace-defense.com/library/files/document...

Re: The experiment that proved airborne disease transmission

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post #68
post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you are missing the OP's assumption that by raising the subject's entire body to +X Volts, any virus particles they breath out will start out with this same positive charge. I'm not sure this assumption is true, but it seems plausible.

If you could really positively charge your whole body to +X volts wouldn't that interfere with your nervous system?

No. That's why birds can sit on power lines and these guys can do their jobs.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9YmFHAFYwmY

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