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Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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Re: Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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Those who are bilingual, yes.

> Those who are bilingual, yes. Wouldn't immigrants by nature have to be bilingual because they have to be able to communicate in the nation they immigrated to?

There's a lot of immigration from Latin America though.

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> They recruited 63 healthy individuals, 135 patients with mild cognitive impairment such as memory loss, and 68 people with Alzheimer's – the most prevalent type of dementia – in four hospitals in Barcelona and the metropolitan area Wait so, N = 266? All from Barcelona? C'mon.

With proper random sampling you only need something like N = 27 (I forget exactly) to reach p = 0.05 Assuming random sampling, it's a misconception that you need ten thousand participants to have a useful study.

Also, you only need about 400 samples for 95% confidence on a proportion at the highest variance point of p1 = . 0.50. It used to drive me nuts when my CEO used to say “10 clicks out of 10,000 on this A/B test is in the noise”. No, that’s not in the noise, it’s almost certainly a clickthrough rate of close to 0.

Re: Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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This might be me being overly cautious here, but I would be wary of the political implications of the study.

It's from an open University that's a project for lifelong learning funded as a public service in Catalonia - promoting the catalan language in the region is a key point of the project, so studies finding out that bilingualism is something great to have raise red flags about the nationalist agenda behind it.

To be clear, I'm not trying to make a point against catalan people or taking a position in any political side whatsoever. I'm just pointing out the potential for local context affecting the scientific method here.

Re: Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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> They recruited 63 healthy individuals, 135 patients with mild cognitive impairment such as memory loss, and 68 people with Alzheimer's – the most prevalent type of dementia – in four hospitals in Barcelona and the metropolitan area Wait so, N = 266? All from Barcelona? C'mon.

Yes, I haven’t read the paper but how can you control for correlated stuff here, e.g. bilingual people are likely to be richer, more intelligent, exercise more, eat better more varied food and have richer social lives. Maybe.

While sampling equally from different income groups might clear up these variables, from what I've been able to find some of highest rates of dementia are in relatively small rich European countries.

Those countries have longer life expectancies so it's hard to do apples-to-apples for rich countries to poor countries.

I do think the "use it or lose it" model for neurodegeneration makes a lot of sense, in the same way you lose muscles if you don't use them, so bilingual is an interesting proxy for greater brain use. Although I also think the lack-of-sleep model makes sense too so I really don't know.

Re: Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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With proper random sampling you only need something like N = 27 (I forget exactly) to reach p = 0.05 Assuming random sampling, it's a misconception that you need ten thousand participants to have a useful study.

Cue “p = 0.05 is a random choice” and a big thread about p-hacking. Any takers? It feels like everything to say has already been said about the bias of small sample sizes and the dangers of p-hacking. But it also seems like the discussion is inevitable here. I wonder if there’s a new insight to glean, somehow... For a background on why p-values are misleading, see https://youtu.be/42QuXLucH3Q which is excellent. He p…

The reason we have stuck with it ever since it s because it's a decent cutoff. I think in physics they sometimes use a much higher threshold of 5 sigma. Presumably because having much more data means they can afford to.

Re: Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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Are immigrants and their children likely to be richer, eat better, etc?

Those who are bilingual, yes.

People that speaks fluent clingon must appear in the Forbes list then.

Re: Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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On priors and given how they sample, I'm guessing it's just p-hacking.

I cant find the episode now, but a few years ago an episode CBC's science show Quirks and Quarks interviewed a researcher that found being bilingual seemed to delay the onset of dementia by a couple of years. Although it doesnt sound like much, from a public policy pov, its pretty significant when you look at what that can mean for quality of life as well as costs for our public health system.

Unfortunately, you can't take an 50-something english only American and tell him to "go learn Italian", for health. It's hard enough to make people eat less, exercise, or quit smoking - picking up new language without another motivation than "for health" is going to be even harder.

Most schools introduce more languages today, no ? And I guess there is no motivation to keep language skills active beyond school, so any skill here will likely atrophy like me French :(

Re: Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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> They recruited 63 healthy individuals, 135 patients with mild cognitive impairment such as memory loss, and 68 people with Alzheimer's – the most prevalent type of dementia – in four hospitals in Barcelona and the metropolitan area Wait so, N = 266? All from Barcelona? C'mon.

With proper random sampling you only need something like N = 27 (I forget exactly) to reach p = 0.05 Assuming random sampling, it's a misconception that you need ten thousand participants to have a useful study.

Can you explain how N=27 could possibly represent and be extended to billions of humans? It is certainly not intuitive to me.

Re: Actively speaking two languages protects against cognitive impairment

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cue “p = 0.05 is a random choice” and a big thread about p-hacking. Any takers? It feels like everything to say has already been said about the bias of small sample sizes and the dangers of p-hacking. But it also seems like the discussion is inevitable here. I wonder if there’s a new insight to glean, somehow... For a background on why p-values are misleading, see https://youtu.be/42QuXLucH3Q which is excellent. He p…

The reason we have stuck with it ever since it s because it's a decent cutoff. I think in physics they sometimes use a much higher threshold of 5 sigma. Presumably because having much more data means they can afford to.

A 5% false positive rate can be pretty high depending on the situation, like whether or not a drug is effective.
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