I can imagine a jealous spouse saying now to the other "i love you so much honey and from now on i will do your iphone backups. Just to make sure everything is safe for you" Then the jealous spouse downloads the iphone tracker visualization tool: "So honey, where were you last night? Really ? Dont you dare lie to me" :)
IPhones and 3G iPads log your location in an unencrypted file on the device
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#102If you have a 3G device the cell towers already know this and the data is already tracked. So what is new here?
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, your partner can do this if you let him or her access to your computer's account. Keep in mind that if you let your partner use your account, he or she can also look at all your cookies, your browser history, and probably your Facebook account and Gmail accounts. If you don't trust your partner and want to rummage through his or her computer—or if you worry about the prospect of your partner rummaging through yo…
>If you don't trust your partner and want to rummage through his or her computer—or if you worry about the prospect of your partner rummaging through your computer—you may want to go to a couples' therapist. Thanks, I am fine. But you should know that a number of marriages do in fact end badly in the real world and that a tool like this one can give evidence of cheating and cost a lot of money in a divorce trial. Do…
Yes, evidence is a problem for people who do things that have legal or economic consequences. Of course, actions often have moral and ethical consequences even if they leave no evidence behind.
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#104If you have a 3G device the cell towers already know this and the data is already tracked. So what is new here?
The data is in an unencrypted file on your device and synced computer, instead of in a database at AT&T.
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
But why make the comparison if not to inflame? That's the point, isn't it? Comparing data collection to sex in the context of consent—as if the concept of consent applies in the same way, which is on its face a bold assertion—isn't about a logical argument, it's about trying to win a war over people's sentiments. And I think the sentiment that's being fought for here is irresponsible and simplistic.
I found the comparison was very apropos to the context and useful. Call me simplistic, but I'm glad it was cast and totally not inflamed (save for my original inflammation towards Apple).
It's not apropos. Can you be raped by your vibrator or your blow up doll? This is about a device passively logging data, not a moral agent doing something to you.
Show me the person that Apple has hurt. The only people I've been reading about here taking actions are law enforcement officials, people in black helicopters, and betrayed lovers.
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
>If you don't trust your partner and want to rummage through his or her computer—or if you worry about the prospect of your partner rummaging through your computer—you may want to go to a couples' therapist. Thanks, I am fine. But you should know that a number of marriages do in fact end badly in the real world and that a tool like this one can give evidence of cheating and cost a lot of money in a divorce trial. Do…
Yes, evidence is a problem for people who do things that have legal or economic consequences. Of course, actions often have moral and ethical consequences even if they leave no evidence behind.
Are you suggesting that a privacy leak is a concern only for those who have something to hide?
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#107I wish this wasn't presented as sinister.
The fact is, that phone companies store all that data for EVERY cell phone, and it's always available to government agencies and divorce attorneys after a subpoena.
All this does is raise the common man's awareness, and possibly provides an afternoon of fun looking at your travel history. If you want your iphone data secret, it prompts you to encrypt your backups when you first plug the phone in.
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#108BTW all cellular devices are recorded as they move through tower locations while they are on and police don't feel they need a warrant for such data, so your location is pretty much available without that file.
Way to miss the point. Earlier, entities recording: cell company. Earlier, entities with access: police, cell company Now, entities recording: cell company, Apple Now, entities with access: police, cell company, anybody who temporarily gains access to my phone, anybody who temporarily gains access to my iTunes computer See, how the "attack surface" is dramatically bigger now?
Oh I am not saying this isn't a huge scandal.
I'm just saying keep in mind this info is also available to others without an iphone.
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're welcome: http://bbb.poseur.com/post/4777454362/the-last-year-or-so-of...
I think he asked for the full database dump, not a meaningless country-level zoomed screenshot. But I give you props for revealing even this much; I would have certainly not done so.
I was going to do so, if only to prove that I don't give a shit, but after glancing at the instructions, I'm not going to do it unless someone provides me with a shell script. It's too much of a pain in the ass.
But if any of you are pathetic and creepy enough to want to know where I was on any particular day, feel free to send me e-mail at edw@poseur.com and I'll let you know.
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#110I wish this wasn't presented as sinister. The fact is, that phone companies store all that data for EVERY cell phone, and it's always available to government agencies and divorce attorneys after a subpoena. All this does is raise the common man's awareness , and possibly provides an afternoon of fun looking at your travel history. If you want your iphone data secret, it prompts you to encrypt your backups when you fi…
No. Given eg the police in Michigan using devices to dump phone contents on a regular basis [1], there is an enormous difference between unencrypted data on a device just sitting there and anything requiring a subpoena.