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Modi government to set up app store alternative to Google Play, Apple App Store

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Re: Modi government to set up app store alternative to Google Play, Apple App Store

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The same thing could be said of game streaming apps like Stadia (all the game code is running remotely) but are forbidden in the App Store. It's hard to take Apple seriously when they do shit like this.

They aren’t forbidden anymore. [1] It is weird they’re making it so that each game you’ve bought needs a separate App Store entry, especially since the local code is all the same and a thin shim. That being said, the same rules are in effect for Apple’s own game platform so maybe there’s a specific reason (eg uniform experience for any app, they can properly promote individual titles in the App Store instead of allow…

I think it’s so app-level device-management policy features can be applied to the content of these services at a per-game granular level.

Having each game as its own app means each game gets its own app-store age rating; its own star-rating, reviews, and install metrics; its own parental-control settings (e.g. screen time limits); its own corporate MDM blacklist-ability; and the ability for Apple to block that individual game from being installable, either temporarily because it’s breaking App Store policy, or permanently within some country whose regime doesn’t allow it.

Also, Apple haven’t mentioned exactly how they’re implementing this just yet, but I would guess that the game streaming services are going to be required to have each client version paired 1:1 with a particular release of the streamed game, such that you must update the app to connect to an updated streaming backend. This would put Apple’s App Store review team back in the critical path for approving changes in app content.

Re: Modi government to set up app store alternative to Google Play, Apple App Store

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I'm not happy with governments taking such an active role. Ideally they help home-grown alternatives and push out American/Chinese corporations to give them space. That is probably too little too late at this point though. Google, Facebook, Apple et al. have shown they will not stop until they dominate digital markets worldwide. Aggressive intervention by governments is the only way for them to wrestle back control.…

All we need is a proper way to tax these companies. It is totally okay that Google or Facebook is doing the work, the people can tax them and get a fair cut from the profit.

Yes you are right, taxing global companies effectively would help greatly. There seems to be no will (in the West at least) to do anything about it though.

Closing loopholes is a problem and it just becomes a war of attrition with accountants and lawyers. Maybe there does need to be the global coordinated effort on tax reform that is the typical excuse for why nothing is ever changed.

I can see why punitive action against foreign corporations could be seen as the easier option.

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What exactly is the cost of having my store activity sold to someone ? 30% cut is a very real one

It's not about selling your store activity. The apps on these stores do not comply with basic guideline like having a privacy policy, not forcing users to give access to all permissions, etc.

So just don't install them. You can make these decisions yourself, you don't need Apple to make them for you.

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> I don't see that same characteristic in Indian culture; of course there is a market for luxury goods but it's not the same. Can it be just because of the difference in disposable income in the countries? I don't know any reliable metric for income but the GDP per capita of PRC is five times that of India. The quench for luxurious goods comes with rising income.

True but apple sells luxury , or premium products. They don’t seem to care for poorer countries

While it might have been true at one time, this is not true anymore. A lot of their products are at price points that are not luxury.

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It's not about selling your store activity. The apps on these stores do not comply with basic guideline like having a privacy policy, not forcing users to give access to all permissions, etc.

So just don't install them. You can make these decisions yourself, you don't need Apple to make them for you.

But I want to install them. Forcing them to go trhough Apple forces them to follow certain guideline. I like the fact that there is no alternative for those who do not want to follow those guidelines.

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It's not about selling your store activity. The apps on these stores do not comply with basic guideline like having a privacy policy, not forcing users to give access to all permissions, etc.

So just don't install them. You can make these decisions yourself, you don't need Apple to make them for you.

I think you are underestimating the Indian govt's determination to force anything on citizens in the name of patriotism.

If this store is actually true, a law will definitely be passed to make sure this app is preinstalled with root access for updates.

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> This is going to be a big mess. PayTM as a company isn’t known for respecting user privacy. Controversial opinion here, but this is part of the reason I like that Apple makes (practically) all purchases run through them. They don’t sell my information, and they have an incentive to not change that.

> but this is part of the reason I like that Apple makes (practically) all purchases run through them. I vehemently disagree - in the name of "protecting privacy" Apple has been fooling users to believe that only Apple can be trusted with user data, and the biggest lie they sell is that they don't do anything with your data, unlike other corporates. From crippling Safari by allowing full cookies by default, and claim…

Do you have evidence of anything being mined?

Re: Modi government to set up app store alternative to Google Play, Apple App Store

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India is a democracy...

To outsiders, it's a democracy because they've been told that. To Modi bhakts it's a democracy because they are in power. To regular people, it's very clear it's a democracy like Russia is a democracy. The govt pays large amounts of people to misinform the populace online. The government uses martial law to impose Internet lockdown for over a year on any citizens who resist govt's crimes against them. There's no free…

While I agree with parts of your comment, I don't think it is honest.

> The govt pays large amounts of people to misinform the populace online.

Are they using state apparatus to do that? Isn't this true in most parts of world now. The whole Brexit campaign was fueled by misinformation.

> There's no free press (check press freedom indices), without which democracy is in name only.

I have read a lot of outlets from India which are anti establishment. Though I definitely think the press freedoms are nowhere at the level of some countries.

> The government uses martial law to impose Internet lockdown for over a year on any citizens who resist govt's crimes against them.

I think this refers to Kashmir. While I don't support the restriction and definitely heavy handed and it wouldn't have been possible in say a country like US now. I think you are triviliazing the situation when you think all the "resistance" is against government crimes.

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I have to explain this comment. Because it will look like politically charged content to outsiders. The following is a rough summary of Indian politics from my perspective: The current leadership has done some fishy marketing tactics for sure. There are swathes of fake news on whatsapp and Facebook which lure unsuspecting citizens into thinking the current leadership is some kind of savior. The local media is mostly…

You made some good points and then started making the same points that the extreme Hindutva trolls make - that the students are supporters of muslim fundamentals merely because they ask questions. What is the "long standing tradition" that you are referring to?

lol, yup - Muslims are the Indian bogeyman. Similar to how African Americans and Hispanics are looked at in the U.S.

The value for life is non-existent in India, unfortunately.

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