You shouldn't escape, you should find a way to change it from the inside.
I expatriated from Russia a decade ago. There's no way to change it from the inside. Armed rebellion might help but chances of winning are slim.
Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?
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#42All countries ran by Jews, your just moving out of the frying pan and into the fire!
Facts!
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#43$2000/month from passive income ? what kind of business ?
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#44You shouldn't escape, you should find a way to change it from the inside.
Some days, my guilt of having left country and family, of not living up to a promise made to a teen-aged self, rises to the surface. I have my own rationalisations, and over video calls my parents tell me the choice I made was the right one for me and my family. Still, some days I think of what-might-have-beens and what-could-bes. You might be right, but it's not as clear-cut as you make it to be.
I just assumed everyone who read this would understand that revolution is hard, dirty, and complicated. But unless those corrupt countries are to be surrendered forever, what I said is the actual solution: someone smart and resourceful enough to make it another country needs to rally the people and takeover.
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#45You shouldn't escape, you should find a way to change it from the inside.
I expatriated from Russia a decade ago. There's no way to change it from the inside. Armed rebellion might help but chances of winning are slim.
The Putin Gang seems to rely heavily on fake election results. Simply need to reverse-corrupt the small group of individuals that collate the ballots and the small group of media bosses who disseminate the results. That might be a start.
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
I expatriated from Russia a decade ago. There's no way to change it from the inside. Armed rebellion might help but chances of winning are slim.
The Putin Gang seems to rely heavily on fake election results. Simply need to reverse-corrupt the small group of individuals that collate the ballots and the small group of media bosses who disseminate the results. That might be a start.
> Simply need to reverse-corrupt the small group of individuals that collate the ballots
On the lowest level, all school teachers are involved.
On the highest level there’s central election committee, these people aren’t just doing that for money, pretty sure their lives are at stake too.
The system’s redundant, any of these levels is enough to falsify the results. I remember a screenshot from national TV where percent of votes cast added up to 146%. They later explained it was a technical error.
> and the small group of media bosses
Too late, almost no independent media are left there. These media bosses are all Putin’s people. Officially, all major media is state-controlled media, including so-called “opposition” media.
> That might be a start.
Will cause no changes until majority of people gonna support an armed revolt. Not sure that’s going to happen, ever. People don’t believe in democracy, don’t believe they can change anything, and were forced to comply to corrupt authorities for centuries now. Here’s a short story from 19-th century to illustrate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumu_(Turgenev)#Plot_summary be sure to check “prototypes” section.
A recent illustration, couple days ago an editor of a local independent newspaper in a city 400km away from Moscow publicly set herself on fire, and died after another episode of years-long political repressions. The 47 years old lady left a suicide note on facebook saying “Russian federation is responsible for my death”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Slavina_(editor)
In Tunisia in 2011, similar event started a revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohamed_Bouazizi
In Russia in 2020, this changed nothing.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I may be climbing up the wrong tree here, but I genuinely get the impression that the OP is actually from the US, and wants to leave it. Or am I reading in between the lines of the cryptic opening post too much? Dunno ...
Said he holds a passport from a country “nobody wants to deal with.” US Passports are pretty useful. Ranked 7th in the world for number of countries that allow visa free travel.
Although the USA passport is not as useful (currently) with many countries refusing entry because of COVID-19. Hopefully that changes in the next 6-18 months!
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#48Your biggest difficulty at the moment is in discovering what country is "a safe, clean country with a non-toxic culture (and preferably a cool climate)." I also would like to move to a suitable country. But .... There is no country on Earth at the moment which conforms suitably to my criteria. For what it's worth, New Zealand while not particularly suitable is more suitable to me than other countries at the moment.
I was wondering if you could elaborate. Can you list the disqualifying criteria for a few countries? I'm really interested to see what disqualifies them for you.
I see a big war coming in the next few years. So that means most of the countries that would be involved in that are out, that includes China, Russia, India, US, Europe, 5-eyes. That leaves most of Africa as a possibility,except that most countries there have internal strife. Most of central Asia and Middle-East also have internal and external strife.
Some non-aligned countries in South-East Asia are comfortably advanced and relatively strife-free: Malaysia, Indonesia. Some South (not North) Pacific countries are also possibilities, some South American countries are possibilities. The problem with all of these is that they are too small and powerless to be secure in a global conflict.
The most isolated country is New Zealand. It is advanced. It is not wracked by internal strife. It's main problem is that, being one of the 5 eyes, it will almost certainly be drawn into a global conflict. On the other hand, it is possibly sufficiently isolated to escape most of the conflict. Then again, it is very powerless and could easily be over-run by a dedicated task-force while its more powerful friends are kept busy elsewhere. (Think of what happened to Holland in WW2.)
As I said earlier, no country in the world meets my criteria at present.
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#49> Not a good team player yet
Don't do anything else until you fix this. I think the piece of advice that might do you the most good is:
"Don't play to win. Play in such a way that people will want to play with you again."
Best of luck!
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#50Getting a degree if at all possible will generally be a great help with immigration around the world. I would try to get a degree if at all possible.
Where I live in Japan, a degree and a job offer will get you in the door very easily. No degree and you have very few options.