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Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

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Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

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You could might try applying to immigrate to Canada. They allow over 300k immigrants a year and the biggest requirements are to not be too old and fluent in English (or French). Lack of an official high school diploma is tricky but you might be able to a) pass some kind high school equivalency test in your country or b) write an internationally recoginzed test (eg SAT or GMAT) if you can score well on those then it s…

> They allow over 300k immigrants a year and the biggest requirements are to not be too old and fluent in English (or French).

To add to this, another requirement is that you can prove you will be able to support yourself financially. With $2k/month USD of passive income (being equal to ~$2660 CAD as of this writing, or several hundred dollars more than full-time ON minimum wage) that might be considered 'enough,' and in the right location could absolutely be livable on without supplementary income.

You're absolutely bang-on with your second point though. Working with a lot of new Canadians in my line of work you can really tell who put in the effort of researching their destination country, and those who just wanted to get out of wherever they were. I actually have a really fun anecdote about this, I was training a guy who had recently moved here from Congo, early-40's and just an all-around great person. He was telling me how much research he did on various countries before he even considered moving, and found that not only would Canada be the best chance of a shot, but because he found our way of life more appealing than anywhere else. And he really meant it. I even asked why he didn't move to Quebec, as a native French-speaker, he told me he strongly considered it but wanted to learn English more than he wanted to immediately 'fit-in,' and even mentioned that with broken English he hasn't once had a problem fitting in or dealing with racism. He knew right from the beginning there would be a huge culture shock, but he mentioned that keeping an open mind and "standing back, to watch the flow of things, get a feel of how people handle the day-to-day" really helped orient himself in the first few weeks here. I still see him maybe once a week and we chat on the phone every here and there; he's helping me brush up on my French and always gives me little tidbits of what life was like "back in Congo," (he doesn't even call it home anymore, a direct quote; "Since I moved to Canada, I have been accepted with loving and open arms; this is my home now. I have no interest in going back.") while I help him out with the odd English word or phrase.

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#22
Without knowing where you're from, or where you intend to move to, I don't know if my experience will be helpful to your situation. Your country of origin, in particular, will play a huge role in how easy it'll be to migrate to your country of choice.

I grew up in Malaysia, and is now living and working in Australia. My journey was a typical one - I studied at an Australian university, lucked out and got sponsored for a job here, and I leveraged that to obtain permanent residency.

Australia has a lenient skilled-independent visa (the 189 visa), which doesn't require nomination, but does require certification. You can check online if you're qualified for it: https://immi.homeaffairs.gov.au/visas/getting-a-visa/visa-li...

If there's one piece of advice I can offer, it is to get proper certificates, preferably from an institution in your preferred country. Immigration departments look favourably on that.

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#23

You could might try applying to immigrate to Canada. They allow over 300k immigrants a year and the biggest requirements are to not be too old and fluent in English (or French). Lack of an official high school diploma is tricky but you might be able to a) pass some kind high school equivalency test in your country or b) write an internationally recoginzed test (eg SAT or GMAT) if you can score well on those then it s…

Place where there is no free speech is not modern for sure.

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#24
If you make $2,000 USD a month I think the worst thing you could do would be to move to a very developed country, since you will barely be able to survive on that income.

Consider moving to a developing but decent quality of life country where USD is strong. Thailand, Malaysia, Turkey, Argentina, etc.

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#25
post #19

You could investigate the option of immigrating to the US as a Registered Nurse. Last I looked (which was some years ago) nurses were exempt from the Labor Certification requirement -- meaning you don't have to prove that there are no qualified Americans willing to take a particular job, because a long term shortage of nurses is assumed.

I may be climbing up the wrong tree here, but I genuinely get the impression that the OP is actually from the US, and wants to leave it. Or am I reading in between the lines of the cryptic opening post too much? Dunno ...

Said he holds a passport from a country “nobody wants to deal with.”

US Passports are pretty useful. Ranked 7th in the world for number of countries that allow visa free travel.

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#26
$2k/mo in a passive income + $50,000 savings would qualify you for a decent quality wife :)

What prevents you from moving to "safe, clean country with a non-toxic culture (and preferably a cool climate)"?

Ok, we can cross out Monaco, but there are still lots of options on a table?

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#27

You shouldn't escape, you should find a way to change it from the inside.

Some days, my guilt of having left country and family, of not living up to a promise made to a teen-aged self, rises to the surface. I have my own rationalisations, and over video calls my parents tell me the choice I made was the right one for me and my family. Still, some days I think of what-might-have-beens and what-could-bes.

You might be right, but it's not as clear-cut as you make it to be.

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#28
post #13

I would take that 50k and get a green card marriage or the equivalent in other countries.

That would be fraud. As a recent immigrant myself one of my fears is that the high-trust culture that makes society work where I am now will devolve into a low-trust one that will make this place more like the third-world country I escaped from.

Mariages blancs for papers have been a common thing throughout the West for many decades now, pretty much since immigration laws were first introduced. It is hard to say that this has harmed the high-trust status of those countries.

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#29

You could might try applying to immigrate to Canada. They allow over 300k immigrants a year and the biggest requirements are to not be too old and fluent in English (or French). Lack of an official high school diploma is tricky but you might be able to a) pass some kind high school equivalency test in your country or b) write an internationally recoginzed test (eg SAT or GMAT) if you can score well on those then it s…

> They allow over 300k immigrants a year and the biggest requirements are to not be too old and fluent in English (or French). To add to this, another requirement is that you can prove you will be able to support yourself financially. With $2k/month USD of passive income (being equal to ~$2660 CAD as of this writing, or several hundred dollars more than full-time ON minimum wage) that might be considered 'enough,' an…

Home is where the heart is. :)

Re: Ask HN: How can I escape my third-world country?

#30
Not sure what your requirements are. But, you are very well off by developing country standards. Since you are single and if you believe your income earning potential continues to stand good, here are two awesome, low budget places that come to my mind.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darjeeling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerala

You won't even be compromising on city fancies or fantasies either. You could pick up a bike, car or flight anytime and to experience anything with the realm of availability.

From a factual perspective, you would have way more time for experiences and exploration than most city inhabitants waiting for that occasional (often stressful) PTO.

Happy weekend!

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