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Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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This is all a very long winded way to say "a popular YouTuber asked teenagers to do something and they did it". Take out all the cultural aspects of it, and an Instagram/TikTok/Twitch influencer doing this here in the USA would have the exact same result, so I'm not sure I buy all the later reasoning.

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Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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tl;dr because of population, people step on each other to feel 'successful' and get approved by their family/peers.

unfortunately this happens in many places if not all. (eg same cr*p applies here in Turkey, if you're male and not a doctor or engineer or government employee, basically seen as failure)

it is apperantly much more visible/causing problem because of lack of resources, strict cultural values as well as driven by high population

Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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> Somehow Indian parents will become self sufficient, so that children are free to do and discover what they actually want. This bit near the bottom (under "improbable futures") really struck me as necessary, and not just an Indian problem. The pressure to be generally successful and support their immediate family is hard enough on anyone, but adding onto that the pressure to be able to care for your parents when the…

Social nets are also “sacrifices from their children”. Ultimately a morsel of food must be produced around the same time it is consumed, so however we might do the book-keeping and resource apportioning (govt welfare through taxes, charities funded by donations, family obligations, etc), the working population at any time needs to produce the “surplus” necessary to take care of the young and the old. In a society dominated by market forces, giving the elderly enough market power to be able to consume is an independent (lower-order) question — a matter of detail consequent of adopting a market framework.

Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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I think the author touched on this lightly, but I feel like there is a little more to be said about “signaling” or what I like to personally call, “resume flexing”.

In India, all people at all times are building their resumes for a semi-vague goal usually wealth or a happy retirement. This idea is embedded quite early on in age as the article author suggested - you’re usually pointed at a career in middle school that makes it easier to achieve above said goal.

The flywheel then spins ever faster as every decision you make thereafter is about getting closer and closer to this vague goal of “success/wealth/societal perception”. You pick universities based on rankings, large tech companies over startups, management over individual contributor work and of course America over everything else.

This problem isn’t isolated to India by any means, and like all stereotypes isn’t applicable to all people from India but in a country of 1B+ people, it’s just dialed up to 11. Hacktoberfest and GSOC are just unfortunate victims to this resume building. The fastest way to put these on your resume and flex it, is to create a spam commit and shortcut your way to a tshirt or certificate.

Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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It’s interesting comparing this to Australia / NZs cultural career issue, “tall poppy syndrome” [1]. People really need to be coached to even say a personal achievement let alone sell it when apply for jobs. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

I had never heard of this syndrome! I think it can be found in Europe as well.

The post was really illuminating. I don't know the Indian culture very well, but now I can understand why sometimes Indian resumes are so lengthy, difficult to parse, and essentially filled with air.

Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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I think the author touched on this lightly, but I feel like there is a little more to be said about “signaling” or what I like to personally call, “resume flexing”. In India, all people at all times are building their resumes for a semi-vague goal usually wealth or a happy retirement. This idea is embedded quite early on in age as the article author suggested - you’re usually pointed at a career in middle school that…

I find the obsession with certificates interesting. One of my past school used to hand them out like candies. It costs like a dollar for 10 and made everyone happy. Same with trophies and medals. After some questioning and feedback from a lot of people indirectly, I concluded that it's one of the best investment any school can make. It results in lot of good PR, recognition, talks, feel good, etc.

It's useful to target and engineer certain behaviors in students. Many of them conflate their value and status with those papers.

You can make money by holding competition to handout these and charge for chairs, food and other stuff.

Many students won't talk about certificates and medals with their classmates because they will be aware of how easy it is to get one but they will boast about it to kids from other schools and their parents. Ha, better conversion rate if someone is looking to transfer their kid to a better school.

I don't understand how not enough schools are doing this and still cheap out on $100 total spend every month at best.

Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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It’s interesting comparing this to Australia / NZs cultural career issue, “tall poppy syndrome” [1]. People really need to be coached to even say a personal achievement let alone sell it when apply for jobs. 1. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tall_poppy_syndrome

I had never heard of this syndrome! I think it can be found in Europe as well. The post was really illuminating. I don't know the Indian culture very well, but now I can understand why sometimes Indian resumes are so lengthy, difficult to parse, and essentially filled with air.

Another variant of this is "the nail that sticks out gets hammered down." I've usually heard it in reference to Japan, but occasionally other Asian countries as well.

Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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I think the author touched on this lightly, but I feel like there is a little more to be said about “signaling” or what I like to personally call, “resume flexing”. In India, all people at all times are building their resumes for a semi-vague goal usually wealth or a happy retirement. This idea is embedded quite early on in age as the article author suggested - you’re usually pointed at a career in middle school that…

I find the obsession with certificates interesting. One of my past school used to hand them out like candies. It costs like a dollar for 10 and made everyone happy. Same with trophies and medals. After some questioning and feedback from a lot of people indirectly, I concluded that it's one of the best investment any school can make. It results in lot of good PR, recognition, talks, feel good, etc. It's useful to targ…

That's interesting because I've always found someone being "certified" for e.g. Microsoft something is a huge turnoff for hiring.

Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the obsession with certificates interesting. One of my past school used to hand them out like candies. It costs like a dollar for 10 and made everyone happy. Same with trophies and medals. After some questioning and feedback from a lot of people indirectly, I concluded that it's one of the best investment any school can make. It results in lot of good PR, recognition, talks, feel good, etc. It's useful to targ…

That's interesting because I've always found someone being "certified" for e.g. Microsoft something is a huge turnoff for hiring.

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Re: Why most Hacktoberfest PRs are from India

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I am Indian-American, and while I cannot comment much about the culture of Indians in India, I can comment a bit about the culture of Indian-Americans, especially second-gen Indian Americans like myself. Many of my Indian-American classmates exhibit the behaviors described in this article. For example, in my high school (a magnet program for gifted students), there were several Indian-American students, many of whom were "high-achieving". Most of them put a lot of effort into trying to buff their resumes to get into good colleges, for example by volunteering on causes they didn't really care about. Cheating was rampant; the attitude many students seemed to have was why actually learn stuff when you can just cheat and get the same career rewards? Almost all of them followed very conventional (read: boring) career paths; in fact most of them became doctors. True creativity and risk-taking was not a personality trait I commonly observed, I'm sorry to say. I was lucky to have very "Americanized" parents who didn't raise me with these backward attitudes.
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