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Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Re: Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Post by tonywastaken »

dasil003 wrote: post #11
PakG1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easier to do that if software requirements don't keep growing. If people were satisfied with lower resolution photos and videos, lower-quality graphics in mobile games, etc, etc, they'd find it much harder to release newer models and have such great sales numbers.

This is a complete non-sequitur and a terrible apologist argument for a bad practice. Apple is literally stopping their phones from being recycled to a willing customer base. If there was no market for those phones then this wouldn't be an issue. Also, software is, and always has been, written to satisfy the capabilities of the hardware. If the market decides to stop upgrading, software will continue to work.

Do you think these devices were sold disclosing that Apple themselves found them to be not worthy of repair? Don't think so. Of course there is a market for cheaper Apple products. There is never a market for Apple products that catch fire in your pocket.

Re: Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Post by arrosenberg »

qppo wrote: post #36
pier25 wrote: post #17

Not allowing the resale of used devices should be illegal. Not only because of the environmental impact but also because this is a way for Apple to control the market.

That would kneecap first party recycling and trade-in discounts. Apple's incentive to provide those services is to reduce the size of the secondary market.

What makes that a problem? Both of those programs increase Apple's control and power in the market.

Re: Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Post by yalogin »

Why are we assuming that these are usable devices? Apple recycled them for a reason. They are obviously cosmetically fine and so people bought them. Who knows what is going on with those devices and what issues they will create for the user.

Re: Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Post by jmole »

andrewjl wrote: post #26
RandallBrown wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets say you buy one of these recycled phones that Apple has already deemed unfixable. Maybe it mostly works, but the screen occasionally blacks out or there's a bunch of dead pixels. Maybe the battery dies almost immediately. It's Apple's reputation that gets tarnished by this.

Why is Apple's reputation more important than the profits of a recycling company? Contracts aside, banning resale over something like this isn't capitalism. You either own something or you don't. Edit: I misunderstood the article and thought that the devices were sold. Indeed a service contract for recycling should be enforced, unless health & safety reasons preclude. Apple is in the right here, I think.

lol, imagine you paid a company to recycle old hard drives or documents and they resold them instead.

Re: Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Post by Thorncorona »

RandallBrown wrote: post #12
Joker_vD wrote: post #3

Well, very technically speaking, they did recycle those iPhones. Why is Apples so obsessed with controlling the entirety of their devices' life cycle, anyway?

Lets say you buy one of these recycled phones that Apple has already deemed unfixable. Maybe it mostly works, but the screen occasionally blacks out or there's a bunch of dead pixels. Maybe the battery dies almost immediately. It's Apple's reputation that gets tarnished by this.

> It's Apple's reputation that gets tarnished by this.

I guess we can't buy used or salvaged cars either now. Can't have manufacturers' reputations tarnished. What a load of crock.

Re: Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Post by sschueller »

_hhkc wrote: post #39

At face value, it seems like Apple is choosing not to reuse the devices. Apple determined that the devices were beyond repair and needed to be recycled for a reason (Potentially safety-related reasons). Geep decided to reuse them anyway, disregarding any potential safety reasons that Apple found not to be repairable. As much as I'd like to say that Apple is in the wrong here, I trust Apple's quality control guideline…

Safety? You mean like the latest Apple update that has many laptops running at 100% CPU because of Apples's poor software testing?

Re: Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Post by rvense »

RandallBrown wrote: post #12
Joker_vD wrote: post #3

Well, very technically speaking, they did recycle those iPhones. Why is Apples so obsessed with controlling the entirety of their devices' life cycle, anyway?

Lets say you buy one of these recycled phones that Apple has already deemed unfixable. Maybe it mostly works, but the screen occasionally blacks out or there's a bunch of dead pixels. Maybe the battery dies almost immediately. It's Apple's reputation that gets tarnished by this.

> It's Apple's reputation that gets tarnished by this.

Hail corporate.

What about all the water that got tainted when the semiconductors were made, all the people who were hurt when the minerals were mined, all the energy that was expended... Apple have sold the product once and made their money, they do not get to decide when that object's useful life is up. If anything, they should be forced to open it up more, to make it even more useful for even longer. If you look at what goes into making electronics, the impact this industry has, these items should be so precious. They should be made to last and be useful for decades.

Re: Apple says electronics recycler “illegally” reselling over 100k iPhones, iPads

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Post by ygjb »

arrosenberg wrote: post #43
qppo wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would kneecap first party recycling and trade-in discounts. Apple's incentive to provide those services is to reduce the size of the secondary market.

What makes that a problem? Both of those programs increase Apple's control and power in the market.

It's a problem since a large part of Apple's value proposition is positioning it's devices as luxury, high-end devices. Having obsolete and used devices generally available on the market at a large scale dilutes this brand. It's a pretty awful perspective considering the harm that this kind of consumerism does to the environment.

I have also seen this sort of behavior fist hand when a team I worked with insisted I destroy the t-shirts for an event instead of donating them to a charity since it would negatively impact the brand :/

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