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Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by cesarosum »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #23
cesarosum wrote: post #11

To the author's opening sentence - I also feel the definition of privacy can be difficult to pin down. I tend to think about privacy as a necessary prerequisite in most contexts to being authentic and truthful - consider what you would say about your employer in a public form versus what you would say to your partner or friend. It gets more complicated in online spaces, particularly when encryption enters. As social…

> the definition of privacy can be difficult to pin down Indeed, here are two papers on this topic that might be of interest: A Taxonomy of Privacy (Solove, 2005) [0], Conceptualizing Privacy (Solove, 2005) [1]. [0] https://ssrn.com/abstract=667622 , mirrored https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=... [1] https://ssrn.com/abstract=313103 , mirrored https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.…

Thanks for posting those links. I admit I haven't got around to reading Solove's work yet, but a friend gave a brief explanation of his taxonomy to me a while back. From memory, there's a key diagram covering activities that are affected by privacy like data collection, processing and dissemination. I'll follow those links and have a read.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by umilegenio »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #23
cesarosum wrote: post #11

To the author's opening sentence - I also feel the definition of privacy can be difficult to pin down. I tend to think about privacy as a necessary prerequisite in most contexts to being authentic and truthful - consider what you would say about your employer in a public form versus what you would say to your partner or friend. It gets more complicated in online spaces, particularly when encryption enters. As social…

> the definition of privacy can be difficult to pin down Indeed, here are two papers on this topic that might be of interest: A Taxonomy of Privacy (Solove, 2005) [0], Conceptualizing Privacy (Solove, 2005) [1]. [0] https://ssrn.com/abstract=667622 , mirrored https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=... [1] https://ssrn.com/abstract=313103 , mirrored https://scholarship.law.gwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.…

Thanks for sharing them.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by raxxorrax »

williamtrask wrote: post #16
Dumblydorr wrote: post #15

Not destroying our planet with GHG and rendering it inhospitable for millions of species, including humanity, is more important than a couple generations' data being spied on.

Fwiw - these two things are not as disentangled as one might think. Consider disinformation leading to the widespread climate change deniers. Both are existential threats with high degrees of uncertainty.

How is disinformation entangled with privacy?

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by bjornsing »

mola wrote: post #29

I don't get the conception that the top problem our world have is people being judged about what they said. And that lynch justice is the greatest bane we face. Don't get me wrong, it's a thing I highly dislike. But it's a thing I worry the least about. Right now, we have leaders across the globe that put themselves as representing the victims of mob justice and politically correctness. But these are the people with…

> The murder of effective discussion and thought.

If we limit ourselves to this sentence then I agree wholeheartedly, and it’s a bigger problem than just politics. For example, many scientists in Sweden simply don’t agree that Richard Feynman’s description of the scientific method is a fairly good one. Fewer and fewer people seem interested in learning anything, but that doesn’t stop them from claiming to know everything better than the giants on who’s shoulders we used to stand. Fundamental concepts (like the scientific method) seem to be losing their meaning, being replaced with just ritual.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by scoutt »

I don't get the link between privacy and freedom of speech. I can have private thoughts and private behaviors that don't necessarily have to do with speaking. In fact, many aspects of privacy have to do with what one does and thinks and not with what one says.

Or freedom of speech is related to privacy (by the author) in a way that I can surely upload a video to Youtube telling that my neighbor cheats his wife because of my freedom of speech?

Because in that case "my rights (freedom of speech) end where my neighbor's rights (privacy) begin" rule applies and that is, I believe, granted.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by umilegenio »

mola wrote: post #29

I don't get the conception that the top problem our world have is people being judged about what they said. And that lynch justice is the greatest bane we face. Don't get me wrong, it's a thing I highly dislike. But it's a thing I worry the least about. Right now, we have leaders across the globe that put themselves as representing the victims of mob justice and politically correctness. But these are the people with…

> I don't get the conception that the top problem our world have is people being judged about what they said.

It is not just what we say, they also judge who we are in their own terms.

> It's the news cycle, the constant barrage of irrelevant information. The murder of effective discussion and thought.

I agree that it is a big problem. In some ways we are the most educated civilizations in the history of mankind and yet public discourse is the stupidest it has ever been. I think this happens also [1] because everything we said is taken out of context, therefore only the simplest ideas can travel among the public. Imagine that you are a politician that want to disagree with their own party, what do you think people will hear more probably: 1) they are a traitor 2) they fully support our cause, however they disagree with this particular course of action because X

Without spaces and community in which we can discuss freely and with trust, complex opinions are difficult to form and defend. Since most discussions are either moved online or are easily shareable online by even one party we need strong privacy norms to allow such discussions to happen.

[1] it is not the only reason, of course

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by agumonkey »

dfischer wrote: post #19
agumonkey wrote: post #7

No. I'd say there are a few things before. - notion of time - distance and space - experience - depth of social bonding and cultures - even magic and mysticism.. (in the days of full and unalterable data with logic processing)

The properties that which you describe are intrinsic to privacy as a feature in existence. To have privacy in a conversation in the physical world requires time, space, and experience. These are very intrinsically-linked concepts.

true, so let's go back to physical world first ;)

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by jcims »

raxxorrax wrote: post #33
williamtrask wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fwiw - these two things are not as disentangled as one might think. Consider disinformation leading to the widespread climate change deniers. Both are existential threats with high degrees of uncertainty.

How is disinformation entangled with privacy?

Targeted disinformation.

Re: Privacy is the most important concept of our time

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Post by ozten »

raxxorrax wrote: post #33
williamtrask wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fwiw - these two things are not as disentangled as one might think. Consider disinformation leading to the widespread climate change deniers. Both are existential threats with high degrees of uncertainty.

How is disinformation entangled with privacy?

“The Great Hack” documentary captures how Cambridge Analytica takes the 10s of thousands of data points per person to identify opportunities to divide people and the design a misinformation campaign that will resonate with each faction.
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