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Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

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Really, what's makes Kanji so complex compared to Mandarin that it originated from?

Chinese is second most complicated. Japanese has all the Chinese characters, and hiragana and katakana in addition.

Japanese also having commonly used phonetic writing systems makes it easier than Chinese in my book.

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That's not how economy works. There is no such thing in general as "too many people for the economy". "The economy" is the sum of goods and services produced and consumed. Everyone who lives consumes, and could easily consume more. The economy is generally limited by the ability to produce, and is generally limited by the number of working-age people to do the producing. Unemployment can be result of production being…

On HN when people discuss CS/privacy/programming the conversation is very thorough and interesting. When the discussion is about economics (the topic I have studied at uni) most comments are just plain wrong and show a complete ignorance about the topic. If one wants a counter argument to "too many people for the economy" one can start here : https://www.jstor.org/stable/2523702?seq=1 "Using data from the Current Pop…

> If one wants a counter argument to "too many people for the economy" one can start here : https://www.jstor.org/stable/2523702?seq=1

Or you can just point out that, well, if there are too many people, just (virtually) split the country down the middle: voila, fewer people in the country.

A more sophisticated argument brings up density. But it's usually the sparsely populated parts of a country that are poorer.

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Chinese is second most complicated. Japanese has all the Chinese characters, and hiragana and katakana in addition.

Japanese also having commonly used phonetic writing systems makes it easier than Chinese in my book.

But Japanese has fewer phonemes than Chinese, and no real tones, which results in a large number of homophones, which makes phonetic writing harder to read. It's not appropriate for business communications.

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I went to university in the same city I grew up in, and made the mistake of living with my with my parents for the first two years. Let me tell you, you don't really become an adult until you move out.

When I moved out it was not much difference. I kept living same lifestyle as when I lived with parents. The only real difference is that now partner done all the vacuum cleaning and I done laundry that I have not done before.

I mean, diffences were pretty minor and mostly in partner being with me all the time now.

Re: Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

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When was the last time you used a fax machine? We maintain one specifically for communicating with Japanese companies.

It's possible this is for legislative reasons rather than anything else.

If that's the case, then a fax isn't too bad (compared to some of the bureaucratic contortionism in the west).

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I went to university in the same city I grew up in, and made the mistake of living with my with my parents for the first two years. Let me tell you, you don't really become an adult until you move out.

This is true, and to latch onto your comment, you won't become an adult until you've lived _on your own_ for at least a year.

Too many people who seem to move from their parents to live with their SO and expect everything to be taken care of by said SO.

Re: Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

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The things that stand out to me about Japan: * 3rd largest economy. * 11th largest population (top 10 until recently, they basically tie with Mexico). * If you look at a table of countries by area, they are there. Even in the top half, thanks to places like Tuvalu. I think there is a very strong on-the-face-of-it argument that they just have too many people and not enough for them to do, economically speaking. If the…

People here are disagreeing with you, but I actually think you're exactly right about most modern economies: too many people and too few jobs leads to all sorts of social issues from wealth inequality to excessive hours to crazy house prices.

But not just quantity of work, but also quality; the US is infamous for having millions of bullshit jobs with bad pay, poor working conditions, and no future prospects.

This was pretty bad with sub-minimum wage pay jobs (restaurant / bar industry, tipping culture) and people having to work multiple jobs to make ends meet, but it's gotten worse with the race-to-the-bottom gig economy, 0-hour contracts, prison labor/slavery, no changes in minimum wage or worker rights, de-unionization / union discouragement, etc.

Re: Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

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Japan has the problems now we, Western society will be facing in 20 years. This has been true since the 80s, so it's be nice to learn from it, and not follow it.

I don't understand why Western countries are not incentivising people to have children.

At the moment (speaking for myself), cost of living is a negative pressure on having children; in a lot of places you can no longer own a house without a double income.

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I wonder how much the stories about Japanese unemployment are just driven the the need for a good story vs. looking at actual figures. The Japanese labor force participation rate for 15-64 year-olds rose from about 70% in 1990 to 79% in 2020, as estimated by the International Labour Organization. In that time frame, it overtook China and the US (both have falling labor force participation rates) and the only other country with a similar trajectory I could find is Germany. Most other countries I tried have much lower rates.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SL.TLF.ACTI.ZS?location...

Re: Japan’s lost generation is still jobless and living with their parents

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The things that stand out to me about Japan: * 3rd largest economy. * 11th largest population (top 10 until recently, they basically tie with Mexico). * If you look at a table of countries by area, they are there. Even in the top half, thanks to places like Tuvalu. I think there is a very strong on-the-face-of-it argument that they just have too many people and not enough for them to do, economically speaking. If the…

People here are disagreeing with you, but I actually think you're exactly right about most modern economies: too many people and too few jobs leads to all sorts of social issues from wealth inequality to excessive hours to crazy house prices.

I also agree with you. I feel that if there were a real shortage of labour (as opposed to our current shortage of cheap labour), a lot of bullshit jobs[1] would become a huge waste of resources.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kehnIQ41y2o

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