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Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by noelwelsh »

HowFarFallen wrote: post #26

>I have privilege as a White person because I can do all of these things without thinking twice about it … I can go jogging (#AmaudArbery). I can relax in the comfort of my own home (#BothemSean and #AtatianaJefferson). I can ask for help after being in a car crash (#Jonathan Ferrell and #RenishaMcBride). I can have a cellphone (#StephonClark). I can leave a party to get to safety (#JordanEdwards). I can play loud mu…

You've cherry picked two names out of the eleven mentioned in the quote, and in both cases the facts as to what led to the deaths that you call "violent criminals on the receiving end of justifiable responses" are in dispute and you have chosen to present them in a way that is not truthful about what is known.

For example, your characterisation of events leading to the death of Arbery is written to suggest he broke into someone's home, where fact he entered an open construction site. To quote the BBC https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-52623151:

> Around the time of the incident, a number of emergency calls were made, CBS News has reported. In one, a neighbour said a black man was seen at a home under construction. When asked if the man was breaking in, the caller replied "No, it's all open, it's under construction."

> The owner of the home that was under construction told CNN that, while his CCTV captured four short clips of a man that appeared to be Mr Arbery "trespassing" on his properly on 23 February, he had not reported any crime to the police.

> "I don't want it to be put out and misused and misinterpreted for people to think that I had accused Mr Arbery of stealing or robbery, because I never did," he said.

> A lawyer for the homeowner later said its their belief that Mr Arbery had been looking for water. Security footage shows he was not the only person to enter the construction site - children from the neighbourhood were also filmed playing at the site.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by soco »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #160
zimablue wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Brit who visited Greece it shocked me how much of a political issue it is there. I kind of came to the conclusion that any slippery slope or historical argument is less relevant than "If they want them so badly and we don't really care, just hand them over"

I agree. The British Museum would be pretty empty if we had to give everyone their stuff back. I can see why they resist so much.

Museums constantly have borrowed items on display - borrowed as in not stolen. I'm aware this is a more common practice the more modern arts you're displaying but still. I'm sure an institution of such prestige as the British Museum could find ways to arrange temporary exhibitions of like everything (I'm tempted to make silly parallels to the handling of Brexit negotiations but I will better stop here)

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by secondcoming »

optimalsolver wrote: post #162
secondcoming wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Adopted or pushed? The BBC is fully on board with importing the US leftist narrative.

Not surprising. Just look at what they named themselves.

lol

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by ChrisRR »

jkingsbery wrote: post #199
ChrisRR wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, Americans seem to have this weird view that no-one's culture should mix. I think in the UK the view of most people is that mixing cultures is fine as long as it's respectful I grew up in a multicultural town in the UK (also home to a lot of racism unfortunately) but we had a yearly (carribean I think) carnival with music and floats and costumes and food. People would turn out in the thousands and it didn't m…

> Americans seem to have this weird view Some Americans, anyway. Growing up in the US, I was always taught the US was "the great melting pot." But I agree, it doesn't seem like it lately.

You're right. I should've said the most vocal americans

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by zimablue »

somerandobrit wrote: post #180
zimablue wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Brit who visited Greece it shocked me how much of a political issue it is there. I kind of came to the conclusion that any slippery slope or historical argument is less relevant than "If they want them so badly and we don't really care, just hand them over"

I’ve never heard of this being an issue and I’ve visited Greece several times and have Greek coworkers.

I saw it in (I think, it wa sa while ago):

Posters in the airport Museums Tour Guides Random conversations

So some touristic and some just random like airport and people

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by StavrosK »

somerandobrit wrote: post #180
zimablue wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Brit who visited Greece it shocked me how much of a political issue it is there. I kind of came to the conclusion that any slippery slope or historical argument is less relevant than "If they want them so badly and we don't really care, just hand them over"

I’ve never heard of this being an issue and I’ve visited Greece several times and have Greek coworkers.

Basically the marbles were stolen decades ago, and the argument was that Greece was in no shape to hold them, so England was protecting them. Now we have the Acropolis museum, that argument doesn't hold so well any more.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by jtbayly »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #188
jtbayly wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So Americans across this gigantic country should adopt the attitude that all cops are bastards?

That's a straw man argument. I know the USA is a huge, diverse country with different problems in different areas. But it is a single country. And that single country is having a problem with police brutality against black people. That doesn't mean all cops are bastards. It means some cops are racist bastards. And the whole of your gigantic country needs to accept that and do something about it.

No it’s not a straw man. It’s literally the specific complaint I was initially responding to in GP.

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by romanoderoma »

> but that doesn't mean we don't have racism

Absolutely right!

We do have racism.

But "systemic racism" is on a whole another level in US.

It's in the system means "you can be shot and killed just because you are of some ethnicity" by those that sworn to protect and serve.

I'm scared only thinking about it. I would live in constant fear.

Plus, it is true that Europe society is not racism free, it is also true that US society is not racism free as well.

At least in Europe we don' t have to fight against police racism on the same scale.

p.s.: my reference to the police brutality is linked to what's said in the article

"to be black is to live in perpetual terror of being murdered by the state. But Britain is not America"

Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens

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Post by 082349872349872 »

raxxorrax wrote: post #49

I don't know where US Americans got the idea about social justice and all these tangential topics related to it. In my view the result is that social justice nearly stands for race segregation, inclusion and diversity is almost synomymous with banning outsiders and heretics, methods of societal analysis lead to the worst kind of dogmatism. At first I honestly thought the teachings of some proponents were to troll in…

"Solidarity" is a big thing in my country, even on the centre right, yet we still get high marks (9+) from the Economist's Democracy Index.

Wang fo kowmang unte kowmang fo wang.

Bonus clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qaA6FdAUsk (imposing the writers' inaccurate views about agriculture on us)

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