This will get flagged when most of the US wake up, or when users get fed up with yet another cultural war submission that leads to flame.
Are you saying being woken will not make you woke?
Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
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Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#182I never even heard of anyone being as racist as americans are when trying not to be.
What is in the media, social media sites and news, is not what you run into in every day life. We all just want to get along. This a political issue where the media is being used to intimidate, insinuate, and threaten, anyone who questions any position. This is identity politics taken to its extreme. It is almost entirely from the left. Welcome to Heckler's Veto manifested on a national level with all the power of media behind it.
We used to discuss ideas, candidates used to be judged on the merits of their ideas and past. Now they are selected for their race, sex, and persuasion. Any criticism of the candidates ideas or actions they have taken, legal or not, is instead portrayed as attacking them based on those three attributes. They have weaponized thought to the point many are silent and that was the goal.
Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup, Poland would be very different even just from daily experience. In 20 years of living there, I have not only not interacted, but not seen a single black person. And I expect that would be the same case for majority of people. Any racism would likely be more personal or based off silly stereotypes rather than systemic. (Not that it wouldn't exist completely)
> Any racism would likely be more personal or based off silly stereotypes rather than systemic. I had a similar experience in this part of Europe. But I'm quite convinced that we don't see systemic racism against black folks there because they are such a small minority. People are as racist as everywhere else (maybe even more so because of the lack of diversity in their country). I'm willing to bet Poland has its own…
Sure, there are other minorities: Ukrainians, Belarusian, Jews, Roma, Germans, and others who deal with different prejudices depending on the region. I meant the original comment specifically about black people.
Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
> While racism is a problem in Poland, it's not a systematic racism like in the US Are you sure about that? I haven't spent much time in Poland, but I've spent quite a bit of time in the baltic states and systemic racism absolutely is a problem there. It's just (mostly) against Jews and Roma rather than black people. I fully expect this is the case in Poland too. EDIT: yes,as I thought. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik…
I'm Polish, and I would say, the only way right now racism is less bad than e.g. US is that Poland is pretty much racially homogeneous. Mostly all white Polish people, huge proportion is single religious denomination, at least notionally (Catholic Christian). The 'discriminatable' minorities are very small and not very visible, but when they are discernible, boy do they get abused. Where non-white non-christian non-s…
> [...] but reluctantly agreed to accept some Syrian Christians (so it's none of those "terrible Muslims"). No help - so many still got beaten up and chased away.
Could you link an article about that? I wasn't aware.
Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, that isn't racist at all. Unfortunate, an injustice, a tragedy, a disaster, a systemic failure to integrate, yes. But racist? You're going to have to spell that one out for me. Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist. Thats a symptom of a problem that predates most of us sitting here in our armchairs. Talk about the real problem not the symptom, but whatever you do, don't start calling all whi…
> Aboriginal people just commit more crime. Isn't that the same argument people use in the US to justify why more Black Americans are incarcerated / killed by cops? If that is actually your stance, I'm confused as to how you see Australia as fundamentally different from the US.
It's also the argument about why AI isn't racist, the data is racist, and thus hotspot-based-policing is just a search for the optimal distribution of police resources.
Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, that isn't racist at all. Unfortunate, an injustice, a tragedy, a disaster, a systemic failure to integrate, yes. But racist? You're going to have to spell that one out for me. Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist. Thats a symptom of a problem that predates most of us sitting here in our armchairs. Talk about the real problem not the symptom, but whatever you do, don't start calling all whi…
> Aboriginal people just commit more crime. That isn't racist. Er... that sounds incredibly racist?
It's a fact. How can a fact be racist?
Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not the same. There really IS footage of USA police shooting innocent black people. There exists no such footage in Switzerland. Swiss people protesting against Swiss police because of this footage from the USA makes no sense. US population protesting against US police because of this footage makes sense.
So Americans across this gigantic country should adopt the attitude that all cops are bastards?
If there are tons of shootings in all 50 states of "this gigantic country", to the score of 10x of that in another country, then perhaps...
Heck, in the US you're not even allowed to get out of your car when stopped by a cop lest you be shot. In Europe that's a total non issue...
Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not the same. There really IS footage of USA police shooting innocent black people. There exists no such footage in Switzerland. Swiss people protesting against Swiss police because of this footage from the USA makes no sense. US population protesting against US police because of this footage makes sense.
So Americans across this gigantic country should adopt the attitude that all cops are bastards?
That's a straw man argument.
I know the USA is a huge, diverse country with different problems in different areas. But it is a single country. And that single country is having a problem with police brutality against black people.
That doesn't mean all cops are bastards. It means some cops are racist bastards. And the whole of your gigantic country needs to accept that and do something about it.
Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
As a Greek, I agree. Ancient Greek culture influences a lot of things, but I've never heard of any Greek being offended by any of it, we consider it homage/remixing. Except the Parthenon marbles, we want those back.
Well, that's not "cultural appropreation" though (the marbles thing) it's downright stealing...
This is true.
Re: Looking at the experience of black Britons through an American lens
#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Cultural appropriation doesnt seem to be a problem anywhere else but the USA. It is not a problem anywhere, actually. Some people just want to make it into one.
I mean it sometimes is, and your categorical rejection of it is just weird.
> I mean it sometimes is
Trying to think of an example of it being a problem, but am drawing a blank. Any ideas?