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Re: Ask HN: How to get into the chip industry?

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Relative to the software industry, the chip industry has a vast number of highly-obfuscated dependencies, nearly-infinite supply chains, and zero margin for error. Robust profitability, let alone innovation, is very difficult to achieve without monstrous scale. The majority of recent semiconductor industry gains have come only through consolidation, giving chip suppliers more bargaining power while letting them cut s…

This mirrors what I saw as a employee of a non-semiconductor company in the middle of a big chip incubator.

Judging from the cars, the normal people making the most money were the tradesmen building the infrastructure for the tools. The chip guys seemed to work long hours, but relatively few were expressing their compensation with tokens. They also seemed to purge people between projects.

Re: Ask HN: How to get into the chip industry?

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This is like asking, "How do I get into the medical industry?" It's overly broad. There are lots of different jobs in the chip industry. 1. Device engineer - want to build transistors? Grab a physics/chemistry masters and /or PHD. Go to work at a foundry house like TSMC, Samsung, Intel, SMIC or Global Foundries. 2. Analog circuit design - grab a masters in EE (w/ circuit design specialty). 3. Layout - the person who…

I commend you for saying the question is too broad and then break it down for the asker.

I thought you are going to dismiss it lol

Re: Ask HN: How to get into the chip industry?

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post #4

This is like asking, "How do I get into the medical industry?" It's overly broad. There are lots of different jobs in the chip industry. 1. Device engineer - want to build transistors? Grab a physics/chemistry masters and /or PHD. Go to work at a foundry house like TSMC, Samsung, Intel, SMIC or Global Foundries. 2. Analog circuit design - grab a masters in EE (w/ circuit design specialty). 3. Layout - the person who…

I definitely don’t think it was your intention to send a “this is a male’s job” message, but some readers might interpret it that way (even subconsciously) if we use language like “software guys” instead of software developers. There are definitely women working in all of these areas, and hopefully many more in the future!

Re: Ask HN: How to get into the chip industry?

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post #4

This is like asking, "How do I get into the medical industry?" It's overly broad. There are lots of different jobs in the chip industry. 1. Device engineer - want to build transistors? Grab a physics/chemistry masters and /or PHD. Go to work at a foundry house like TSMC, Samsung, Intel, SMIC or Global Foundries. 2. Analog circuit design - grab a masters in EE (w/ circuit design specialty). 3. Layout - the person who…

For 3, I think you're likely needing a bachelor's in EE or more these days. I have some friends who do this and a lot of the hand layouts are for standard cells or high speed analog parts where you need the EE knowledge to understand what you're laying out.

Depending on where OP is located and where they want to go to school, internships are a good route. I went to the University of Toronto where there's an optional 16 month co-op program [0]. AMD for example, hires lots of students (I did this many years ago on a team doing analog circuit design).

0. https://engineeringcareers.utoronto.ca/work-experience-progr...

Re: Ask HN: How to get into the chip industry?

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I work in this field The pay is poor compared to SaaS/AIML/etc Hardware folks (and firmware) are always asking how to retrain and move into mainstream SWE. Its not worth it.

Funny that probably a lot of SWE would be glad to teach some HW folks to get some knowledge of EE in return. I would for PCB design.

Re: Ask HN: How to get into the chip industry?

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post #17

I work in this field The pay is poor compared to SaaS/AIML/etc Hardware folks (and firmware) are always asking how to retrain and move into mainstream SWE. Its not worth it.

Funny that probably a lot of SWE would be glad to teach some HW folks to get some knowledge of EE in return. I would for PCB design.

I'll take that deal! Also I offer the PCB design stuff for free :-D (but really, I could use work on my SW)

https://contextualelectronics.com/courses/shine-on-you-crazy...

https://contextualelectronics.com/courses/getting-to-blinky-...

Re: Ask HN: How to get into the chip industry?

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post #4

This is like asking, "How do I get into the medical industry?" It's overly broad. There are lots of different jobs in the chip industry. 1. Device engineer - want to build transistors? Grab a physics/chemistry masters and /or PHD. Go to work at a foundry house like TSMC, Samsung, Intel, SMIC or Global Foundries. 2. Analog circuit design - grab a masters in EE (w/ circuit design specialty). 3. Layout - the person who…

10. RTL designer - uses the gates made by #1 to implement digital circuits that go through the tests of #4 and is placed in the chip by #3. Does a similar job as #5, but not limited to CPUs. To join the band, get a degree in EE or CS and practice on FPGAs. Make sure you get domain knowledge on the specific thing you are implementing: digital communications, audio, IO protocols, networks etc...

Re: Ask HN: How to get into the chip industry?

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I've worked for hardware companies, and don't recommend it:

1) The day you tapeout is the day you get RIFfed. Or really any hardware product, including most tablets and other consumer devices.

2) Silicon Valley VCs don't fund chip startups anymore because of the large investment required, risk, and time to get that money back, especially compared to SaaS companies.

Source: Some lucky engineers I know work on the A10-A13 processors.

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