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USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

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Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

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Tired with these articles. USB-C has saved me tons of hassle.

You could...not read them?

Yes, but I'm not just a selfish person caring for my self. I want to spare the whole world of such mediocre articles.

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

#582
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Word of warning, for those reading this far: The Switch and Switch Dock are not USB-C devices. That you’re able to plug in a USB-C charger or USB-C device and see it supposedly work just means that you haven’t yet encountered the scenario(s) that can electronically damage the Switch. Nintendo’s warranty does not cover this damage when it occurs, requiring a full-cost repair or replacement as you connected unlicensed…

I thought it wasn't USB compliant, based on this google plus post[1] and hacker news discussion [2] If it is true that third party charging devices is fine, then that is great news. [1] https://plus.google.com/102612254593917101378/posts/2CUPZ5yV... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16706803

Archive link because Google Plus is dead: http://web.archive.org/web/20180330003039/https://plus.googl...

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

#583

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I mean you can expect whatever you want. what I'm saying is the beautiful past where all USB cables were perfectly interchangeable never existed. in the last generation we had power-only cables, data-only (although this is out of spec, I believe), and various out of spec fast charging implementations. if you pick up a random usb charging block and micro-usb cable, there was never any guarantee that it would transfer…

In other words, one kind of cable plus out of spec trash (but mostly benign micro-USB chargers with no chance of people attempting data transfers). The worst I've encountered with "old" USB is a vintage Nokia phone that refuses to charge from its data-only micro USB port. With USB-C there are multiple official cable types, all with the same connectors, plus high voltages that can fry devices, plus complex protocols t…

> plus high voltages that can fry devices

Any examples of this other than the Switch?

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

#585

Really? I find it to be a game changer for me. The fact that my laptop, Switch, iPad, and several other devices can all share a charge has made my life much easier. I can just sprinkle a few of them throughout the house and never be without power. Before it was always a hunt to find a cable, or I had to be in [x] room to charge [y] device because that's where the charger lived. Plus, I can charge my MacBook on either…

This doesn't seem like a factor in favor of USB-C. I regularly charge any of two dozen USB device in my house from any of a half dozen smart chargers, using too many micro-B cables to count, and it has been months since I spent even one moment thinking about compatibility among them all. This kind of setup was already common. My USB-C devices are the ones I need to worry about. All of the chargers I've bought (not th…

> Almost to a one, they seem to be Mac users talking about fairly static setups, and recommend "top of the line" (i.e. expensive) docks etc.

You don't need "Top of the Line" anything, you just need to avoid random junk. Micro-USB isn't much better in this regard. The cheaper cables charge slower and have slower data transfer rates.

The big difference here is many USB-C devices need a lot more power, so when you buy a crappy cable, it's a lot more of an issue.

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

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A device using 5V/5A is nonstandard to an ugly extent but that's fine, because the actual spec of the cable is amps and there are only two options: 3 amps and 5 amps. And we could fold the thunderbolt/bandwidth/video into one single speed rating without much trouble, if the desire was there...

What exactly is non-standard about it? https://megous.com/dl/tmp/a0538dc39724eb2e.png

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/11181/USB-PD.png

https://i.stack.imgur.com/W8UGp.jpg

Once you hit the soft cap of 3 amps, you're supposed to increase the voltage. The 3-5 amp range is only supposed to be used at 20 volts.

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

#587

Really? I find it to be a game changer for me. The fact that my laptop, Switch, iPad, and several other devices can all share a charge has made my life much easier. I can just sprinkle a few of them throughout the house and never be without power. Before it was always a hunt to find a cable, or I had to be in [x] room to charge [y] device because that's where the charger lived. Plus, I can charge my MacBook on either…

> Plus, I can charge my MacBook on either side, so that's basically life changing on its own. Yeah, be careful with that - for some MacBook Pro models charging from the left side will cause overheating and CPU throttling issues.

There is a preferred side, but if you need juice, you can sit down in a coffee shop[1] you don't need to worry about it. Just make sure your main setup at home/ your office is correct.

[1] we'll be able to do that again sometime right?

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

#588

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This doesn't seem like a factor in favor of USB-C. I regularly charge any of two dozen USB device in my house from any of a half dozen smart chargers, using too many micro-B cables to count, and it has been months since I spent even one moment thinking about compatibility among them all. This kind of setup was already common. My USB-C devices are the ones I need to worry about. All of the chargers I've bought (not th…

> Almost to a one, they seem to be Mac users talking about fairly static setups, and recommend "top of the line" (i.e. expensive) docks etc. You don't need "Top of the Line" anything, you just need to avoid random junk. Micro-USB isn't much better in this regard. The cheaper cables charge slower and have slower data transfer rates. The big difference here is many USB-C devices need a lot more power, so when you buy a…

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Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

#589
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

While they don't explicitly claim USB-C compatibility, creating a USB-C shaped port seems like a pretty clear representation that the dock is USB-C compatible.

They claim it's USB-C on the website: https://www.nintendo.com/switch/tech-specs/

For the record:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200925024652/https://www.ninte...

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

#590

The article misses my biggest gripe with USB-C - cables can come in both 2.0 and 3.0 in addition to Thunderbolt, with absolutely no way to distinguish the link speed by looking at the cable itself. I have 10 or so USB-C cables littered about the house in different lengths, I had to mark the only two that support 3.0 speeds. It also doesn't mention the issues we see in USB-A to USB-C cables, where cheaper cables often…

I actually thought of another one similar to my first gripe - they need to label the link speed and the amount of power the cable can sustain. I found another couple of cables I had marked (and very rarely used) because they won't give anything more than 5V3A. Some are only rated at 60W.
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