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USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

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Xps15 9560. It sounds like a jet engine taking off when I’m playing Subnautica but otherwise isn’t actually too hard on the gpu

That sounds neat! Are you daisy chaining from one monitor to another? I think my monitor supports that too.

One monitor is the laptop. Then I use a dongle that provides two full-size DP ports from one USB C

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

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USB-C is mostly a mess if you try to get away using the cheapest adapters/cables you can find, that often times won't follow the spec. Most of the issues vanish if you use high-end cables/adapters from reputable manufacturers. This is a departure from the world of Micro USB where most cheap cables worked just as good as "high end" cables. There are caveats. For example, my Nintendo Switch, a major electronics device…

Right, that's what I'd call a mess. The purpose of a standard should be that if a product conforms to it, the consumer can trust that the product will work. That isn't the case with USB-C. I've had some "USB-C" cables that can charge but not transmit video, some that can transmit video but not charge, and some that can do both. It shouldn't be possible to sell a cable that can't do both and call it USB-C.

Perhaps the only way this could be resolved is some kind of certification and education of consumers that only certified cables/devices should be used.

For others they should go after the vendors for not following spec. Yes there are fakes, but companies like Nintendo could be forced to either comply or if they don't want to, use a proprietary port like they usually did.

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

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Really? I find it to be a game changer for me. The fact that my laptop, Switch, iPad, and several other devices can all share a charge has made my life much easier. I can just sprinkle a few of them throughout the house and never be without power. Before it was always a hunt to find a cable, or I had to be in [x] room to charge [y] device because that's where the charger lived. Plus, I can charge my MacBook on either…

Same, I'm a big fan. The only issue I have is that 1) the power bricks aren't cheap, small, and powerful enough and 2) charging things through my MBP doesn't work well because the wattage (60) isn't high enough. The external hard drive won't work if my phone is plugged in as well.

GaN chargers are pretty cool. I found the Hyper Juice to be a shit product though. Still waiting for Anker to release some high watt chargers.

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

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Multiply that by millions of people and 10s of millions of devices and it is a pretty big deal. How is advocating for a standard so that every purchase wasn’t a crap shoot a bad thing? Having to sort through reviews just to attempt to determine basic functionality is ridiculous. I don’t read reviews to find out of a table lamp will plug into the wall because the basic standard of delivery power over a power cable is…

It took quite a long time to get to where you could assume an arbitrary table lamp plugged into an arbitrary wall socket would work.

USB C would be as if we could already plug arbitrary lamps into arbitrary sockets, but then someone decided the same socket that powers lamps should also be able to refuel a car and now you have to plug and pray with five different cables before your lamp will work. Also if you use the wrong one it will spray gas all over your lamp and catch fire.

Re: USB-C was supposed to simplify our lives, but instead it’s a total mess

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Funny, I was hoping the article would address one of my main gripes with USB-C, but it didn't: the ports and plugs are dust magnets! Sometimes fluff in the port causes the plug to losely attach, making the cable fall off or simply not charging a phone overnight even when apparently connected. A lot of my friends have this issue with their phones, the port is too deep and rounds dirt up from fabric in your pocket. USB-C requires cleaning like no other plug I ever owned.

And in general, dust or no dust, it feels like a flimsy plug. Even the shorter micro USB typically snapped vigorously at their ports.

I think these physical design flaws are also quite an oversight for something that wants to be the plug-to-end-all-plugs.

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Round corners happen by coincidence, and Apple wouldn't let you use round corners even if you met their spec. Someone making a port the exact size and shape of a USB-C port (within tolerances) is doing it for the purpose of being compatible, and telling them to meet the (non-onerous) spec to be allowed would not get nasty headlines.

> Someone making a port the exact size and shape of a USB-C port (within tolerances) is doing it for the purpose of being compatible People put TRS (3.5mm audio) jacks on random proprietary wall-chargers. They don't do it so that the charger can "be compatible with" the analog-audio ecosystem (what do you want to do; plug your charger into an amplifier?) No, these manufacturers use TRS jacks, because TRS jacks (and s…

I keep hearing about USB-C ports being significantly more expensive to use than previous versions, so I guess let me know when you see someone do that. I'll be surprised to see anything mass-produced that uses a USB-C port for something entirely different.

But even if they want to, it would be better if someone stops them.

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I wouldn't say that they're in the wrong, but I would expect people to have some expectations about the quality, durability, and capabilities of a super cheap cable. Overall, I don't think it's entirely unfair to expect people to pay $10-15 for a quality cable, especially since these modern cables are often expected to carry significant amounts of power.

No, $10 for a cable with significant amount of power is unreasonable. If you ever dealt with some power cables, you'd know that 1 meter of the highest quality copper power cable for continuous delivery of say 15 amps (3 x 1.5 mm^2) shouldn't cost more than $0.6. And that's enough for 300 watts of power given 20 volts. But you probably will never see that much copper in a USB-C cable, at best you'll see third of that…

Getting into anecdotal evidence here, but, as a consumer, I've seen what happens to the hyper-cheap cables after a few weeks to months of use: they tend to fall apart or fail in fun and interesting ways.

On the other hand, I have never had a $10-15 Anker or some other brand cable fail on me without serious abuse. As a consumer, I'll happily pay the extra few dollars for the expectation of durability, a warranty of some sort, and the knowledge that the cable should Just Work with most of my devices, even if I know that the price is way out of proportion to the materials involved.

Can't speak for all other consumers, of course, but I would expect that many have figured the same thing out over the years of purchasing Micro USB/Lightning/30pin/etc cables.

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