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Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

#21
Stay in school. Yes, you and your cofounder could get a GED, but I think you're missing a lot of the advantages of high school. It's hard to see them when you're there, but when you're in high school you have:

1) Large amounts of free time. You've got a six to eight hour or so block of time every night, every weekend. You can probably pull programming books into class with you if you're that insatiable. If not, just carry around a notebook with you dedicated to the startup, it'll be chalk full of ideas whenever you have a spare moment.

2) No responsibility. Granted, high school is tough, but it's also inconsequential. If you've studied the PG essays as much as you think, you'll remember the concept of a day job in "What You'll Wish You'd Known". Here's the link, it's worth a reread in your situation. http://www.paulgraham.com/hs.html

3) Your parents are funding you. They pay for your housing, food, and are probably quite open to the idea of buying you and books you want to pursue your goals. You can afford to take the time to learn right now. If you drop out, are your folks going to want to keep feeding you while you sit around the house? You'd probably be expected to get a job, which cuts into all that free time you'd be gaining by dropping out.

Delay University if you want, but honestly you can get a lot of the same deal out of it if you approach it well. Right now you've got an idea and no skills with which to execute it. Don't create a situation that's more hostile to you getting those skills.

Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

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Don't drop out of school. You've got all the time in the world, what's the rush? Your early twenties (let alone the time before you're even 20) are there to be enjoyed, not spent hacking away at a start-up 15-hours a day. Here's how it will happen if you start up now. Your first start-up will be an unmitigated disaster. Your second one will be slightly less so, but still fail. Your third will break even. Your fourth…

We will work that much harder to prove doubters wrong. The rush is to learn. If we fail now, oh well. We are that much closer and had a reason and motivation to learn. A startup doesn't mean we can't have fun. A credit crunch has very little effect on our idea.

You are 17 years old and about to drop out of high school...I personally would advise you to at the least, finish school and get into a cool university and experience life outside the comfort zone of your parents' house. There's still a lot to learn, see and experience out there.

However, that does not necessarily mean that you completely stop working on your startup. While being committed is important, there is a right time for everything and it may not be the best time to drop out of school... suppose an year down the line, you change your mind- it will be a lot harder and for you to get into good universities. The risks vs. benefits at this stage may be out of whack.

The important thing is that the idea should not die and should always be on the backburner until the time is right and you have the matured view of the world [and how cruel it can be] to make the whole scheme of things to work in your favor.

Just my 2 cents...

Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

#24
Stay in school. Do the startup thing over the evenings and weekends. If things take off (you can live off the earnings full time for the foreseeable future), then consider leaving school and doing it full time.

It sounds like you are looking for a reason to leave school and startup may not be the right thing. Have you considered getting a job at a tech firm to develop your tech skills which you can apply on your startup.

Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

#25
Learn to program. Deciding at 17 that you're "nontechnical" is premature optimization, without the optimization. At that age you're not non-anything you don't want to be. And if you're going to be in a world where people make software, there's nothing more valuable you could learn than how that's done, even if it's not what you ultimately spend most of your time on.

Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

#26
Please read carefully what i will write. Unlike other people i will not give you advice like "Go for it dude" or "Wait, don't be stupid". Instead i will give you my point of view.Im 18 and i have one year left in school. I started programing years ago, but never got any deep. Started with pascal, then c++ in school, but never learned anything. In December last year i started learning python and i am now quite knowledgeable of the language. I started learning Django a while ago and i also read a lot about other languages. I view my self as an entrepreneur, although i have no business ideas, or even anything close to a product(or anything that can evolve in to a product). My goal in life if for spiritual balance. Its my philosophy. I don't care about money, or people that much. I like learning and solving puzzles. I'm poor. My family has no money, we live in Bulgaria and even by local standards, we are below average. I don't mind at all, all i need is about 20 cents(euro cents) for the coffee automate in school and a running internet connection at home(we are not that poor) I love technology and stuff like that, i love science, all kinds of it, biology, math, physics. i love it all. What's my point you will ask? I am lazy. I hate doing things unprepared. I hate having to do things the hard way. If i go start a company now it will be very hard, it will be almost impossible(not completely impossible) I will have to learn so much on the run, it will not be business, it will be home school. Its not worth it, so i just enjoy being 18. I play football(European football, soccer is a stupid name), i drink beer with friends(its legal here ha ha) I draw stuff, i listen to music, and i learn. I learn as much as i can, i prepare my self. I don't like failure. I know how to fail, I've failed a lot of times in my life and I've learned to prepare my self for what i want to do. You do what you want. Drink beer if you like too(don't mind the illegal part, i drink since 13) just think about stuff. Don't do stupid stuff you know are stupid, that way you don't have an excuse of being ignorant. Learn from peoples mistakes and think about stuff. Try to understand your self and the world. And read Sun Tsu's Art of War, its going to help you to a lot. It helped me understand the situations in which my actions matter, and i use it as advice every time i have to make a hard decision. Good luck, from a fellow entrepreneur and wannabe hacker.

Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

#27
Don't drop out of high school, just bullshit your way through it and do enough to get by- this isn't hard stuff, and you get food, shelter, and a good internet connection. I know, in high school, that might not seem like a lot, but it's huge when you're out in the real world.

Put as much time as you can into your startup and learning to program, just don't fail out. If you're smart enough to write as lucidly as you do then you're smart enough not to fail high school. Find some loopholes to make the classes easier, figure out what the easiest way to make 70% is, and execute.

Like someone else said, hack morning, hack lunches, hack nights- put your time into moving your startup forward.

Skip college, it doesn't sound like you need it- if you do need it down the line you can do it then.

However, experience does matter- and you can pack a ton of experience into a short amount of time if you're ok with taking risks, which it sounds like you are.

Check out Inside Steve's Brain if you get the chance, this quote stuck out at me a lot:

"For Jobs, innovation is about creativity, putting things together in unique ways. "Creativity is just connecting things," Jobs told Wired magazine. "When you ask creative people how they did something, they feel a little guilty because they didn't really do it, they just saw something. It seemed obvious to them after a while. That's because they were able to connect experiences they've had and synthesize new things. And the reason they were able to do that was that they've had more experiences or they thought more about their experiences than other people. Unfortunately, that's too rare a commodity. A lot of people in our industry haven't had very diverse experiences. So they don't have enough dots to connect, and they end up with very linear solutions without a broad perspective on the problem. The broader one's understanding of the human experience, the better design we will have."

Also:

"I wish Bill Gates the best, I really do. I just think he and Microsoft are a bit narrow. He'd be a broader guy if he had dropped acid once or gone off to an ashram when he was younger." -- Steve Jobs

With all that said-- you've got a great opportunity. You've got a co-founder, you (hopefully) have a good idea, so execute and give it a shot. If it doesn't work, bone out to Argentina or Eastern Europe for awhile, regroup, come back, and give it another shot.

And, on college, there's a great article by Sean Nelson of Harvey Danger about the merits of dropping out of college:

http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=12087

Good luck!

Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

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We will work that much harder to prove doubters wrong. The rush is to learn. If we fail now, oh well. We are that much closer and had a reason and motivation to learn. A startup doesn't mean we can't have fun. A credit crunch has very little effect on our idea.

You are 17 years old and about to drop out of high school...I personally would advise you to at the least, finish school and get into a cool university and experience life outside the comfort zone of your parents' house . There's still a lot to learn, see and experience out there. However, that does not necessarily mean that you completely stop working on your startup. While being committed is important, there is a r…

Honestly curious- have you experienced bringing an idea on the backburner back to life? I've always felt like if immediate action isn't taken and maintained to move an idea forward it dies.

I'd love to hear your perspective here, I'm interested.

Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

#29
Do you have funding for a year or two? What about your partner? If your parents say OK, go for it, we'll support you for two years (as mine did), it may be the right thing to drop out.

Second thing is, you absolutely must gain the technical skills as quickly as possible. A startup of two cannot support one business guy. But you already know that I take it.

I wish you luck!

Re: Nontechnical 17 year old startup founder with chutzpah is asking for advice

#30
Lots of people will tell you lots of different things, but as always take it w/ a grain of salt.

The thing about dropping out is that you have to be willing to figure out everything on your own (which is sounds like you are). However, you'll find that you'll end up learning alot, but there will be holes in your basic knowledges and skill set. Unless you really dig deep into things you don't understand, you'll end up with just a shallow broad knowledge of what you need to know. And that at times can make or break your project.

I'd say, wait until you can make stuff to drop out.

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