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Re: Unfck the Internet

#31
post #7

Mozilla appears to be not long for this world, and it's incredibly sad. What we should be doing is pointing fingers at Google, who have no business running the world's top browser, search engine, and ad network. That's a monopoly.

Mozilla just signed another huge deal with Google for the default search engine in Firefox to be Google. Judgement of that deal aside for a moment, Mozilla isn't going anywhere soon.

Re: Unfck the Internet

#32
This is so tone-deaf it hurts to look at. The way it's presented feels like they're trying to pander to people.

I use Firefox every single day. Focus on your browser, and let your product do the talking.

Re: Unfck the Internet

#33
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because Mozilla doesn't care about the privacy of their users. If they did, Pocket would be easily disabled, and they would have zero telemetry (like Ungoogled Chromium).

I don't think the things you cite necessarily mean "Mozilla doesn't care about the privacy of it's users". There's always room for improvement, but "they're not perfect" != "they don't care". Tangentially related: ungoogled Chromium has some impact on Google's monetisation, but zero impact on their browser monopoly, because in the end you're still using their browser engine. So if you're talking about counteracting b…

I will name drop Librewolf as the "Ungoogled Chromium" of Firefox-based browsers. However, the web itself is tightly controlled by Google, and for me using UG Chromium is the best bet. I've stopped caring about the browser monopoly and instead looked for ways to minimize my usage of browsers and the web in general.

Re: Unfck the Internet

#34

It makes me sad to see people targeting Mozilla for everything. Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. For now they are only viable alternative in browser space. Yeah it collects data(only after asking for appropriate permission) which too is anonymous(i might be wrong here). But they are not collecting it to make profit out of it like google. Its only to…

It's nigh-impossible to please privacy absolutists, while also hoping to create a consumer friendly (UX-wise) product. It also takes very little for them to toss the baby out with the bathwater.

Which is all a bit baffling since we already have a privacy absolutist's dream version of Firefox called the Tor Browser.

Re: Unfck the Internet

#35
post #13

Is it too much to ask for a tech company to just focus on their product and not delve into social advocacy? Edit: The Unfck the Internet project proclaims to be all about user privacy, but it promotes an extension to report political ads and an extension to report recommended YouTube videos (with the goal of not exposing people certain content). That is why I see this as social advocacy because it's clearly got polit…

I don't understand this stance to be honest. Do you also think that Apple's focus on privacy is wrong? Why would a company building a web browser not be concerned about the state of the web, the privacy of it's users, etc? These things seem to be directly related to their product.

Apple is only focused on privacy in the barest sense. They'll refuse to unlock physical devices while happily answering thousands of requests from the US and other govermnents for users' iCloud data[0]. They also don't allow users to encrypt data stored in iCloud, expressly so they can continue to do this[1].

Apple's front as a privacy company is little more than PR. I understand this isn't really the point of your comment, but I think the privacy policies of Apple and Mozilla make for a misleading comparison.

Mozilla cannot have anything other than a huge positional advantage over Apple where privacy is concerned, mainly because the amount and type of personal data the two companies ingest are so vastly different. Were Mozilla to adopt Apple's stance on privacy, results would be disastrous.

[0] https://www.apple.com/legal/transparency/us.html

[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusiv...

Re: Unfck the Internet

#36
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anonymous tracking is fine with them, I'd presume, and totally seems to be in line with Mozilla's stance, too, one would think. It isn't like their flagship product, Firefox, is free of all telemetry.

Unique Id is hardly anonymous. Anonymous tracking is already part of the URL. The ?utm_source=unfck part of the URL helps Mozilla know how many people installed Firefox from that link.

What data is being leaked that can be used to break anonymity?

Re: Unfck the Internet

#37

Is it too much to ask for a tech company to just focus on their product and not delve into social advocacy? Edit: The Unfck the Internet project proclaims to be all about user privacy, but it promotes an extension to report political ads and an extension to report recommended YouTube videos (with the goal of not exposing people certain content). That is why I see this as social advocacy because it's clearly got polit…

Yes, unless the technology has no societal implications.

Re: Unfck the Internet

#39
post #8

Clicking on the link shown on the website assigns a unique ID to your version of Firefox downloaded from the playstore. Every user gets a unique ID. This ID is sent back to 'Adjust' when you install the app. So much for unfcking the internet. Hypocrisy everywhere.

So it’s like the intel CPU serial number all over again, except maybe more granular (specific), but at least mutable.

Re: Unfck the Internet

#40
post #27

It makes me sad to see people targeting Mozilla for everything. Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. For now they are only viable alternative in browser space. Yeah it collects data(only after asking for appropriate permission) which too is anonymous(i might be wrong here). But they are not collecting it to make profit out of it like google. Its only to…

> Like yeah its default browser is Google because that's the way they can pay developers to work on it. Not many people complain about this btw. It's a foolish argument. If Yahoo or DDG is the default, most people will just switch back to Google. >only after asking for appropriate permission No. it's opt out. > which too is anonymous No >There is no firefox there are no forks That's one of the most important points.…

> Not many people complain about this btw. It's a foolish argument. If Yahoo or DDG is the default, most people will just switch back to Google.

That was in reply to a comment which was deleted by the commenter.

>only after asking for appropriate permission

>No. it's opt out.

Oh never noticed that. But I think that's because its just annoyance for the people who don't care about privacy. And those who does can just opt out.

> which too is anonymous

> No

Whatever it maybe I trust Mozilla more than Google. I am not being a fanboy too. Mozilla is not some giant tech company selling your data to advertisers.

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