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Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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> you can’t truly be apolitical; that's one of those "you're either with us or against us" type of deal - which is not the right way to deal with anything imho. You _can_ be apolitical - as in, you do not let your political views affect what you do. You keep your political views private. You do not try to change anyone else's political views as part of your job.

You can be apolitical in that you are not interested in politics. But: 1. Doing so is a political decision. 2. Your views shape your perspective and there will be actions and omissions that you take that impact politics in ways that you are unaware of.

You can have political stance, you just don't need to put it everywhere.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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Why is a company wanting to be apolitical is controversial? That should be the default, is this an American thing like how masks and healthcare are controversial? I would expect a government to have proper separation from church and state, so why is it weird to want a company to separate politics and mission? I can't see any good coming from being in a work environment where the company supports a political issue I'm…

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Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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> Why is a company wanting to be apolitical is controversial? Because there's really no such thing as, "apolitical." If you offer web-hosting to a group of white nationalists, this is a political action. "Apolitical" is what people who are ok with the status quo use as a dog-whistle to avoid responsibility.

This is on-point. Others here seem to be oblivious to reality: White guy at webhost: We took the white supremacists' money, so this is totally legal. Black colleague: Sure, but now they're using the website to display anti-black ideology and actively plan rallies to remove my rights. White guy: This is politics and I'm trying to be apolitical. Please lobby the courts if you have a problem.

You could just as easily write an example where someone of a particular religion (pick any one, they all have a list of things they find immoral) doesn't like it when the web host takes the money of some group that furthers something the religion objects to. Everyone has to hold their nose sometimes.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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I agreed with what Brian Armstrong said in his blog post and thought it was admirable to publicly take that position, but now I have even more respect for his dedication. I don't know if the severance package is good or not, but it seems generous and it gives employees who aren't aligned with the company an easy way out.

What’s there to admire? This is common sense and he should have set these expectations from the start. why are people discussing politics at work?

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Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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post #229
post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is a company wanting to be apolitical is controversial? Because there's really no such thing as, "apolitical." If you offer web-hosting to a group of white nationalists, this is a political action. "Apolitical" is what people who are ok with the status quo use as a dog-whistle to avoid responsibility.

This is on-point. Others here seem to be oblivious to reality: White guy at webhost: We took the white supremacists' money, so this is totally legal. Black colleague: Sure, but now they're using the website to display anti-black ideology and actively plan rallies to remove my rights. White guy: This is politics and I'm trying to be apolitical. Please lobby the courts if you have a problem.

That's exactly how it should work.

> using the website to display anti-black ideology and actively plan rallies to remove my rights.

When it's not a crime and it's completely based on your subjective view: you're kidding yourself if you think that process is going to be a just measure. Likely, it's just going to be a free for all, whoever gets offended at what.

Let me add another colleague to your mix.

Asian guy: I don't agree on these statements. I'm quitting if we remove this content.

You see where this is going?

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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post #81

I agreed with what Brian Armstrong said in his blog post and thought it was admirable to publicly take that position, but now I have even more respect for his dedication. I don't know if the severance package is good or not, but it seems generous and it gives employees who aren't aligned with the company an easy way out.

What’s there to admire? This is common sense and he should have set these expectations from the start. why are people discussing politics at work?

> What’s there to admire?

Which other Silicon Valley company is doing this?

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can’t truly be apolitical; that's one of those "you're either with us or against us" type of deal - which is not the right way to deal with anything imho. You _can_ be apolitical - as in, you do not let your political views affect what you do. You keep your political views private. You do not try to change anyone else's political views as part of your job.

You can be apolitical in that you are not interested in politics. But: 1. Doing so is a political decision. 2. Your views shape your perspective and there will be actions and omissions that you take that impact politics in ways that you are unaware of.

It's very destructive to discourse to force people to polarize to one side or another. Most people when intimidated to "choose sides" will choose the side of the person NOT trying to pressure them into taking sides.

To give you an idea of the types of historical figures that used the "you're either with us or against us" most famously...

Benito Mussolini

Vladimir Lenin

George W Bush after 9/11

Recep Erdogan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27re_either_with_us,_or_ag...

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is on-point. Others here seem to be oblivious to reality: White guy at webhost: We took the white supremacists' money, so this is totally legal. Black colleague: Sure, but now they're using the website to display anti-black ideology and actively plan rallies to remove my rights. White guy: This is politics and I'm trying to be apolitical. Please lobby the courts if you have a problem.

You could just as easily write an example where someone of a particular religion (pick any one, they all have a list of things they find immoral) doesn't like it when the web host takes the money of some group that furthers something the religion objects to. Everyone has to hold their nose sometimes.

I think what we're seeing these days is that people don't want to "hold their noses" any longer. It's not making the world a better place.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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As a non-American, I find it truly bizarre (and sad) that's it's now controversial to publicly state that you're not taking sides.

Something I've found about recent "activism" (not sure if that's the best word) is that the supporters act like it's not enough to acknowledge and agree with the activists aims, but that these aims must in fact be the most important issue the world faces, and if you're not 100% committed you are against them. I think this 'My cause is "the" cause' has arisen as an escalation in the fight for attention. And I think it…

It’s a very evangelical phenomenon. These “activists” are no different than religious proselytizers. Maybe this is a very American thing due to the strong historical presence of the evangelical church.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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I (and many others) are of the opinion that you can’t truly be apolitical; claiming to be so is its own form of politics (and generally one that supports the status quo). Politics is ultimately about how we engage and collaborate with each other as a society, not just which “party” you like. The very act of being a company is very relative to the laws and regulations your country has, which are of course determined b…

> I (and many others) are of the opinion that you can’t truly be apolitical; claiming to be so is its own form of politics (and generally one that supports the status quo). If someone just does their job with people no matter who they are then they are not political. Being gay is not political. Being trans is not political. Being black is not political. Saying that gays/trans/black people shouldn't exist or doesn't b…

> If someone just does their job with people no matter who they are then they are not political.

And what happens when it's not the case? When people don't just treat people of foo group normally, and it's happening throughout the company? What should foo group do?

Ask the company to get to an apolitical state where they can just do their job? Let people in the company know that it's going on? By you definition, that's political and wrong. Or do they just bear the cost of it while others continue doing what they're doing?

> I don't see why this is concept would be so hard to understand

Because (In my opinion) you're starting with a fundamentally flawed premise that there isn't already politics in the work place. There always has been. The important difference is that the only thing that gets branded as "politics" is anything different from the status quo. If it's politics aligned with the status quo it's not seen as politics even when it it.

A similar example. I'm not taking a stand on it in any way here, but kneeling during the national anthem before a football game was considered a political act (which it is). One response was "keep politics out of football" (parallel to our discussion here). But again similar to our discussion here it was glossing over the fact that playing the national anthem before a sporting event is an extremely political action to begin with (ex. Should we play the national anthem before a game of Jeopardy?).

Saying there wasn't politics before / by default, is just turning a blind eye to the existing politics because it's the status quo.

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