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Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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As a non-American, I find it truly bizarre (and sad) that's it's now controversial to publicly state that you're not taking sides.

I'm unaware of any point in history where 'not taking sides' in a war was viewed favorably by either side. I'm fairly confident that there will be a civil war shortly after the election.

I'll bet you $100 there won't.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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post #23

Brian Armstrong wants to have it both ways. He wants employees to focus “on the mission”, and not bring societal politics and activism into the workplace. Fair enough. For better or for worse, we live in a capitalist system, and companies are not first and foremost social justice organisations. I am not unsympathetic to the problems he is trying to solve. But he also wants to influence politics and laws to benefit hi…

Whilst this is true it's clear that plenty of individuals let alone companies go through life only caring about and acting on issues that directly impact them regardless of the larger scope of impact.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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post #23

Brian Armstrong wants to have it both ways. He wants employees to focus “on the mission”, and not bring societal politics and activism into the workplace. Fair enough. For better or for worse, we live in a capitalist system, and companies are not first and foremost social justice organisations. I am not unsympathetic to the problems he is trying to solve. But he also wants to influence politics and laws to benefit hi…

But they are not the same. Every company and organisation will advocate for itself by advertising, lobbying, legal battles etc. Brands will also adopt a LGBT pride/BLM/etc campaign as soon as they think it provides good publicity. The aim of all this is to help the company/org. It's not the same as employees bringing up their social or political views while at work.

It's not just a matter of publicity — the non-profit / NGO sector is a vector for oligarchical / corporate political influence.

Corporate lobbying is a problem. People who can't seem to fathom that political litmus tests among employees are an intensification of that problem are useful idiots for power they claim to object to.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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I applaud Coinbase’s CEO on his position of keeping politics out of work. Other tech companies have been overrun with employee activism, which just means one political side has weaponized those companies in favor of their ideology. It is disrespectful to all their customers that don’t align with those views, damaging societally when digital public squares (Facebook and Twitter) are corrupted by employee politics, and…

It's kinda interesting to see because the cryptocurrency space is surely one of the more political tech developments at the core - replacing fiat money, new financial instruments, self-governing contracts, ...?

Yes, which can be interesting to both leftists, rightists, and whatever other directionist you might wish to delineate.

It isn't politically neutral technology, sure-- but it's largely orthogonal to many other political concerns. This is good too, because an alternative money isn't particularly valuable unless it's useful to a broad spectrum of people.

I could easily imagine a cryptocurrency org that didn't have a culture of leaving your politics/religion at home -- at least to the extent that they didn't directly interact with your work-- could quickly become an extremely toxic and unproductive place.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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I’ve never worked in the Bay Area, so could just be OOL but I’m genuinely surprised that this is such a big deal, or that this blog post got so much praise.

Never discussed politics at any of the companies I’ve worked for, we were always too busy with...work!

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they are not the same. Every company and organisation will advocate for itself by advertising, lobbying, legal battles etc. Brands will also adopt a LGBT pride/BLM/etc campaign as soon as they think it provides good publicity. The aim of all this is to help the company/org. It's not the same as employees bringing up their social or political views while at work.

Companies do not merely advertise or lobby for specific regulations that affect their industry: they spend money to elect specific politicians who take positions on laws that affect that company's employees, in and out of the workplace.

No, companies spend money to elect politicians who will favor them, and the fact that those politicians have to have positions on social issues as well is (for companies) an unavoidable negative. Hobby Lobby type companies with an active social agenda are a tiny minority.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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I'm unaware of any point in history where 'not taking sides' in a war was viewed favorably by either side. I'm fairly confident that there will be a civil war shortly after the election.

I'll bet you $100 there won't.

Heck I'll raise that, and offer 20:1 odds to danielheath, I pay $400 if there's a civil war, he pays $20 if there's not.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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To be fair though, keeping politics completely out of any aspect of life becomes increasingly hard when things like science and the definition of "truth" are being politicized. A statement like "I believe the 99% of climate scientists that say climate change is man-made" shouldn't be considered a political statement, yet here we are.

You could... not talk about it at work?

In terms of climate science, energy use is very relevant to work.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

#69

As a non-American, I find it truly bizarre (and sad) that's it's now controversial to publicly state that you're not taking sides.

Does the country in which you live have a status quo of the regular imprisonment, enslavement, and public executions of a specific race of people?

That's the issue in the USA, and "not taking sides" on that matter is, well, an issue, because it means you don't care about human rights.

Re: Coinbase offers exit package for employees not comfortable with its mission

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But they are not the same. Every company and organisation will advocate for itself by advertising, lobbying, legal battles etc. Brands will also adopt a LGBT pride/BLM/etc campaign as soon as they think it provides good publicity. The aim of all this is to help the company/org. It's not the same as employees bringing up their social or political views while at work.

Companies do not merely advertise or lobby for specific regulations that affect their industry: they spend money to elect specific politicians who take positions on laws that affect that company's employees, in and out of the workplace.

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