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Compact nuclear fusion reactor is 'very likely to work,' studies suggest

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#81

Honest question: Has man-made nuclear fusion ever happened? Or is it theory, happening on the sun?

Yes, it has. Setting aside hydrogen bombs, the predecessor of ITER, JET has achieved nuclear fusion. To do so, it has used more electricity than it generated, but it maintained fusion and generated electricity. ITER is supposed to achieve a net gain of electricity.

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#83

My current favorite future fusion reactor project (I'm a layperson) is the Wendelstein 7-X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendelstein_7-X Seems like they're meeting all their planned milestones and it's going well! Excited for their next updates... More from their project page: https://www.ipp.mpg.de/w7x "Wendelstein 7-X is the world’s largest fusion device of the stellarator type."

I’m also a layperson and also a fan of the 7-X, almost on purely aesthetic grounds. The plasma shape is a beautiful twisted loop, the magnets resemble a French crueler, and with the shielding and instrumentation it has all the charm of a steampunk time machine

As a layperson, this design seems far too complex to be useful for fast iterative research and ultimately, economic replication.

It reminds me of the principle that one shouldn't start a space travel project that is estimated to take more than x years to complete, because by that time, technological progress will have surpassed its speed and capabilities, and would physically overtake it (the 'wait calculation').

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#84

My current favorite future fusion reactor project (I'm a layperson) is the Wendelstein 7-X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendelstein_7-X Seems like they're meeting all their planned milestones and it's going well! Excited for their next updates... More from their project page: https://www.ipp.mpg.de/w7x "Wendelstein 7-X is the world’s largest fusion device of the stellarator type."

I’m also a layperson and also a fan of the 7-X, almost on purely aesthetic grounds. The plasma shape is a beautiful twisted loop, the magnets resemble a French crueler, and with the shielding and instrumentation it has all the charm of a steampunk time machine

To me it looks like alien technology. Such an organic shape. So many valves an openings. What is their purpose? How deliberate is their placement? Awe-inspiring.

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#85

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I’m also a layperson and also a fan of the 7-X, almost on purely aesthetic grounds. The plasma shape is a beautiful twisted loop, the magnets resemble a French crueler, and with the shielding and instrumentation it has all the charm of a steampunk time machine

As a layperson, this design seems far too complex to be useful for fast iterative research and ultimately, economic replication. It reminds me of the principle that one shouldn't start a space travel project that is estimated to take more than x years to complete, because by that time, technological progress will have surpassed its speed and capabilities, and would physically overtake it (the 'wait calculation').

Maybe that's the weakness of this design. But maybe it can be scaled up.

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Having read about tokamaks for thirty years, I'd be curious what specific breakthroughs and innovations have occurred since the 1980s, which lead to the optimism described in the article (which is otherwise frustratingly devoid of detail). It's great there are seven-peer reviewed articles about SPARC, but plasma was not my specialty in physics -- would any specialists care to comment on whether there is anything part…

My layman's understanding is that recently available (~last 5 years) industrial scale processes to produce rebco tape[1] is the specific advance in superconductor tech that's specifically enabling higher tesla magnetic field strengths from significantly smaller and lighter and easier to manage magnets, so you can get a system that's "powerful enough" to run net posititve at a size that's small enough to be built by a…

Better link on ReBCO (in my opinion) https://nationalmaglab.org/magnet-development/applied-superc...

They were specifically looking at the tapes ability to function in high magnetic environments such as a tokamak type reactor.

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#87

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I couldn't agree more. Once you realize that energy is the fundamental unit which powers everything else in the economy, not only from every movement of ourselves to those of our machines as well, you realize the more we advance in our ability to produce more and more energy at cheaper and cheaper costs in increasingly reliable ways, the more we can accelerate, without exception, every other industry.

Make an efficient fusion reactor the size of a truck, and the solar system becomes your backyard.

Make an efficient fusion reactor of any size, and you can power Fischer-Tropsch plants to synthesize carbon-neutral hydrocarbon fuel for the existing fossil-fuel infrastructure.

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I couldn't agree more. Once you realize that energy is the fundamental unit which powers everything else in the economy, not only from every movement of ourselves to those of our machines as well, you realize the more we advance in our ability to produce more and more energy at cheaper and cheaper costs in increasingly reliable ways, the more we can accelerate, without exception, every other industry.

There is ~zero expectation in the scientific community that fusion is going to be cheap at scale. It might eventually be cheaper than fission due to several factors. But, even that’s looking a long way off.

How so? Unlimited, non-radioactive fuel and inherent safety of the system alone could tip this scale pretty severely in favor of fusion once it becomes energy-positive. And remember, once that happens, investment is going to be through the roof, which will accelerate progress. Either the "scientific community" (whatever that means) is either too pessimistic about this, or you've just made this up.

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#89

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkpqA8yG9T4 Here's a video lecture from the MIT Professor (Dennis Whyte) who was leading the research group that provided some of the key designs for the SPARC reactor. As the NYT article explains, that research has been spun out into a startup that raised $200M. The key breakthrough is the advancement of REBCO tape superconductors which allow you to (1) generate record breaking magnet…

That's a great talk, and really gives me a lot of hope for the SPARC concept that this article is about.

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#90
After watching the video posted in the top comment, I have to wonder why we would keep dumping money and time into ITER. I know, don't put all your eggs in one basket, but if the ITER design is so out-of-date, why wouldn't we just scrap it in favor of something that we could build 10 years faster and for much less money?

It seems that if we can't make fusion work for SPARC it won't likely work in ITER either since they're both based on the same understanding of the physics. Am I wrong on that point? Is there some reason to think that ITER will succeed even if SPARC does not?

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