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Compact nuclear fusion reactor is 'very likely to work,' studies suggest

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The intense non-linearity of magnetic phenomena is a source of major issues here. Why can't natural laws be more simple and linear? (joking, sure, but it does feel that way sometimes)

It often times boils down to turbulence.

"When I meet God, I am going to ask him two questions: why relativity? And why turbulence? I really believe he will have an answer for the first."

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know essentially nothing about superconductors, but if they all have essentially zero resistance, what makes one better for this application? I thought the main advantage of high-temp superconductors was using liquid nitrogen instead of helium.

All superconductors superconduct, but there's wide variation in how strong of a magnetic field they can endure before leaving the superconducting state: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Upper-critical-fields-an... ITER (and the LHC) used NbSn magnets, since it was designed in the 90s. Newer designs will use newer superconductors.

I want to emphasize this beyond upvoting.

Superconductors are like magic, but they aren't actually magic. They have limits.

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Having read about tokamaks for thirty years, I'd be curious what specific breakthroughs and innovations have occurred since the 1980s, which lead to the optimism described in the article (which is otherwise frustratingly devoid of detail). It's great there are seven-peer reviewed articles about SPARC, but plasma was not my specialty in physics -- would any specialists care to comment on whether there is anything part…

My layman's understanding is that recently available (~last 5 years) industrial scale processes to produce rebco tape[1] is the specific advance in superconductor tech that's specifically enabling higher tesla magnetic field strengths from significantly smaller and lighter and easier to manage magnets, so you can get a system that's "powerful enough" to run net posititve at a size that's small enough to be built by a…

Yep; the key technology that took magnetic confinement fusion from 'ITER will probably work' to 'Maybe we should just go ahead and skip ITER' is rebco tape.

The problem is that all known superconducting materials known will lose their ability to superconduct when exposed to a sufficiently strong magnetic field. The large field strengths induce eddy currents in the material which disrupt the propagation of the cooper pairs in its superconducting mode. The current sufficient to self-induce this field is called the critical current.

Layered rebco tape appears to shield against this effect or otherwise trap the eddy currents in a way that superconductivity is preserved even in the presence of extremely strong fields. The critical current in REBCO tape is enormously higher than in previously known materials or winding configurations.

Obviously the bigger the reactor volume is, the smaller the magnetic field needed to steer and confine the plasma within it can be. So back when they were designing ITER, engineers figured out the strongest magnet they could make, then they designed the reactor to be small enough (lol) that said magnet could still sustain confinement.

However now that we have stronger magnets we can make reactors smaller. This is even something of an gross understatement as the relationship is cubic. For a doubling in field strength, the reactor can be 8 times smaller. That effect is very meaningful when considering that you are essentially talking about shrinking something the size of ITER's 28m main reaction vessel to something that might fit into a garage.

I'm not really any kind of expert on this, so please treat this explanation as very simplistic.

I have not yet personally seen anything about this new lattice confinement modality that seems to give me anywhere near the same level of confidence that they will see viable applications compared to the magnetic confinement approach. (NIF already stood down their tries at laser inertial confinement) Maybe someone has some good insight on whether or not this is all still speculative fanfare or if researchers are finding real meat.

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> Sparc would be far smaller than ITER — about the size of a tennis court, compared with a soccer field If we could make efficient fusion reactors the size of a truck, the solar system will become our backyard.

What we really need are better ion propulsion systems. Even with a power source current ion propulsion systems are much slower than chemical rockets for short-term deep space missions like transit to Mars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrically_powered_spacecraf...

Realistically, if we had good electric propulsion we could just slap a conventional fission reactor in there. We already launch plutonium on many deep-space missions for steady nuclear power. For now chemical propulsion is simply faster and more reliable, electric propulsion is still in the early stages, and there are many other problems to solve in human spaceflight.

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Here's the actual summary: "Although many significant challenges remain, the company said construction would be followed by testing and, if successful, building of a power plant that could use fusion energy to generate electricity, beginning in the next decade." In other words, "very likely" in this case means "if several roadblocks are overcome, it might be a net-positive power generator in a decade". Even so, this…

Speaking pedantically, the next decade actually starts 1-Jan-2021.

Speaking even more pedantically, a new decade is starting right now ... and here comes another one.

The 2020s start 2020-01-01 (just as the century called "the 1900s" started 1900-01-01).

The 21st century started 2001-01-01.

The 203rd decade starts 2021-01-01 -- but nobody talks about the "203rd decade". That's the difference in terminology between decades and centuries; we don't refer to decades by their ordinal numbers.

Yes, it's confusing and inconsistent. If only Dionysius Exiguus had known about zero.

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My current favorite future fusion reactor project (I'm a layperson) is the Wendelstein 7-X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendelstein_7-X

Seems like they're meeting all their planned milestones and it's going well!

Excited for their next updates...

More from their project page: https://www.ipp.mpg.de/w7x

"Wendelstein 7-X is the world’s largest fusion device of the stellarator type."

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Honest question: Has man-made nuclear fusion ever happened? Or is it theory, happening on the sun?

Fusion is relatively easy to achieve. Farnsworth and Hirsch did it back in the 60s and there's a community of people building DIY fusors at home.

The hard part is getting the reaction to produce more energy than it requires to sustain. Given a breakthrough that solves that problem, fusion would be a really appealing energy source given the abundance of hydrogen.

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My current favorite future fusion reactor project (I'm a layperson) is the Wendelstein 7-X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendelstein_7-X Seems like they're meeting all their planned milestones and it's going well! Excited for their next updates... More from their project page: https://www.ipp.mpg.de/w7x "Wendelstein 7-X is the world’s largest fusion device of the stellarator type."

Looks like it's down for upgrades until the end of 2021.
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