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Why should you be entitled to the mental labor of others? What good is it to spend years studying and doing work in a field if one can’t charge more specifically for that knowledge and experience?

I answered in a comment below with potentiel food for thoughts. Let's be serious, it's a utopia, but the philosophical path is interesting to walk through. Your concerns are valid, yes, but only if you value money over self-accomplishment. I learn skills for myself, not for others. It's about investing in yourself, the output is not necessarily money. You can learn dance classes, it'll never pay-off, but you'll feel…

If you value self-accomplishment, why not do it yourself?

If you want others to value self-accomplishment over money, maybe they decline because they can't pay rent with self-accomplishment.

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post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should you be entitled to the mental labor of others? What good is it to spend years studying and doing work in a field if one can’t charge more specifically for that knowledge and experience?

I answered in a comment below with potentiel food for thoughts. Let's be serious, it's a utopia, but the philosophical path is interesting to walk through. Your concerns are valid, yes, but only if you value money over self-accomplishment. I learn skills for myself, not for others. It's about investing in yourself, the output is not necessarily money. You can learn dance classes, it'll never pay-off, but you'll feel…

Sure, it's great to get things for free and it's nice when people give away what they've learned, but that's their choice, not yours.

You're effectively criticizing people for not giving away their investment for free.

Also, you mention that money is unfair and is not a reflection of social value? What is the social value in being a lock smith? If you spend most of your day working as a lock smith for "social value", then you're expecting others to do the same. How does it work when you need something from someone else, but they "don't have the time" or just don't feel like doing it. "Social value" has less actual value than a social contract, but... getting back to money being unfair... Money is a way to pass value between entities, be they people or companies or other. I will pay money to a lock smith (again, just using a random previous example in this thread) and he will use that money for something he needs or finds value in.

Value is also highly subjective, hence the widely varying prices people are willing to pay for things or services. Though, as long as there are enough people willing to pay for a thing or service at the given price/rate, then it will be sold for that price/rate.

One last note, when it comes to information, which is not the actual work, I think you're underestimating the value gained by the person appearing to give the information away. On the internet, if you're writing articles for free, based on your experience, that you also sell to your employer as "work", you're probably getting something else out of it as well. Maybe recognition, hoping for a better job, or maybe just gaining experience in writing.

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Matches the data shown here: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/self-reported-trust-attit...

China is kinda funny. Either the question was misunderstood, or they've answered what they know should be the right answer. Everyone I know who as been trained in dealing with Chinese suppliers or business partners is telling me that you can only trust the Chinese as long as their financial interests are aligned with yours.

Yeah, that is very strange. My experience echoes yours - I think there's a relatively speaking weak default trust between strangers in China.

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I have a very large file with lots of 1s and 0s in it, you can have them for free. If you want them ordered and that ordering takes me a year or so then I expect to be paid. Knowledge and experience are the result of an investment in time and effort on account of the person with the knowledge. They usually expect some kind of return on that investment unless it was done for hobby purposes. Whether 'regular' labor and…

file.sort() Amazing how much experience, sweat and tears you get for free behind a single function call. Any other industry would charge you a ton. Open source!

Yes, open source is very powerful. But it is also the exception and if you want a piece of bespoke software you're likely going to have to pay someone for it. It's pretty rare that someone would say 'I need some software to do 'x'' and then magically a team of talented individuals jumps forward to say 'we will provide it for free' and will maintain it for free to boot for the rest of its service life.

Software has very little reproduction cost, but behind that function call is a lot of stuff written by people who in turn were simply paid for their work.

True altruism is rare, and even if there are lots of open source examples of exactly that that still makes it exceptional and mostly because people already wanted to write a particular piece of software.

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Sounds like that should be illegal.

General surveillance by an employer without probable cause is illegal here in Germany, and thank god for that. Lab animals probably have more privacy than the people working for that company. I'll never understand how we got to the point where we're reasonable enough to demand privacy in our lifes half of the day but the other half we're willing to revert to some 19th century Jeremy Bentham like panopticon prison.

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And the privacy implications. Which is why it's illegal in parts of Europe. >Any black hat that finds a way to gain authorization will basically have a ready-made botnet. This has actually happened with viruses, cryptolockers, etc before. Get access to Windows group policy, add the virus to it, see it being spread around.

Where is this illegal?

Not 100% sure, but I think one of Netherlands/Sweden/Finland is on that list. The reason I know this is I work in a multinational firm and there were issues with a monitoring tool. Also, parts of Europe have expectations of privacy even in a work environment, eg. an employer cannot read your work emails, even though they reside on their servers and are part of their "work".

Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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post #170

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And the privacy implications. Which is why it's illegal in parts of Europe. >Any black hat that finds a way to gain authorization will basically have a ready-made botnet. This has actually happened with viruses, cryptolockers, etc before. Get access to Windows group policy, add the virus to it, see it being spread around.

Where is this illegal?

Czech Republic. There are few exceptions to this (power plant control computers, stuff like that), but generally, it's illegal. EU is a bit less restrictive about this, but company-wide, systematic monitoring is forbidden everywhere.

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> ... so I suppose they had a reason to not trust people. When you teach people that they aren't trustworthy, they tend to end up not being trustworthy. Perhaps if the UK bosses had given their employees a bit of trust, they would have lived up to it. And, on the flip side, perhaps if your Scandinavian bosses had implemented the same draconian monitoring measures, there would have been more people from your office do…

I think you're getting to the the crux of it. Exactly What actions make it seem like the other person has branded you as untrustworthy? Would a cashier counting the money you gave them be a sign that they don't trust you? Or an airport security making you pass through a metal detector? Or a Police officer running a speed gun on your car? With the old 'Trust, but verify' idea, the disagreement is always on the 'how' i…

I would argue that if someone trusts you, you have something to lose if you break their trust (you might feel ashamed, it will degrade your work conditions, etc...)

While of someone doesnt trust you already, if they catch you red handed it just confirms an already exisiting situation, so its no big deal.

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