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Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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>> crackdown on ethnic minorities Which minorities?

About 10% of India's population is muslim however in Kashmir they are a majority which I think is more or less the root cause of the Kashmir conflict.

I think in the context of India it is unfair to call 10% population as Minority. 10% of Indian population is ~135 Million, that is more than the population of several countries.

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"most of the north-east is converted [to christianity]" is surprising, but actually that's true, for several Indian states that are in the enclave eastern of Bangladesh (Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya). Not "most" eastern states, though, only these ones. I am certainly not in favor of acculturation, and I have no sympathy for religions such as christianity who advocate that nature exists just to be used by humans, h…

Nagaland, Mizoram and Meghalaya are christianized long back. But Many media doesn't cover it, but Evangelism very high, in north-eastern states, almost 70% of the population became Christians. I'm all in, if people with their knowledge want to take Christianity. But de-generation of native faiths, Money, ... and other facilities for conversion are being provided. https://swarajyamag.com/culture/how-northeast-india-wa…

Well I grew up in the Northeast ('80s). One thing I can assert that these missionaries treated the population a lot more respect than the (for the lack of a better word) folks from mainland India. The common attitude towards Northeast people by my fellow countrymen was that of utter contempt to the point of treating them as inferior beings.

Sure the missionaries had an agenda. But given my options as an hypothetical person of northeastern ethnicity, given the education that I would get from the missionary organizations (they run many primary schools and high schools and vocational training schools) I would have made a wise choice and bettered my life.

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Shipping India's able-bodied workforce to the US and driving the rest of the local economy with low-wage factory jobs absolutely hampers a country's ability to govern and develop itself. The threat of pulling manufacturing out of a country becomes too great and forces governments to bend to the will of foreign investment.

>Shipping India's able-bodied workforce to the US [...] I wonder why the blame is on the US or American companies, which offer better working conditions and pay, rather than Indian companies for not being competitive enough, or the expats for "defecting" from their home country.

Because the laws and treaties that enable it were enacted by the US government.

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Re. conversion - nilsocket, do you believe that every individual has agency in choosing their religion? Or do you believe that these choices should be made for them by “those that know better”? An analogy, do you think that your occupation should be something you can choose? Or should that choice be made for you by “those that know better”? If the conversion is “forced” or “fake”, nothing changes on the ground anyway…

I very much believe in self-belief. I don't have any problem, if people convert to Christianity with their self-will and knowledge. Look at this handle, https://twitter.com/noconversion How many kinds of deceptions are being used by Christians in order to convert native people: Money to Defend rioters and convertions: https://twitter.com/Satyanewshi/status/1310562881469952000?s... Backed by state government in Andhra…

That twitter handle is far from an unbiased source.

Again, my question here is - Who decides that the reason someone has chosen for their conversion is “wrong”, for what is essentially an individual’s choice. I for one trust nobody but myself to make those judgements, within the framework of the law. I do not want the state to infringe on my personal freedom. Anti-conversion laws are a dangerous step in the direction of the state telling people what to believe and what not to.

Re: Amnesty International India Halts Its Work in India Due to Government Reprisal

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Unfortunately, the BJP's notorious troll army (also known as the "IT cell") has invaded HN also, and pop up whenever our government's misdeeds are discussed.

Remember that this is the same govt that has restricted the speech of the state of Jammu and Kashmir by cutting off their Internet access completely and later, restricting them to a mere 2G connection and to "approved" websites. [1]

It modified the UAPA law to basically designate any Indian citizen a "terrorist" and hold them indefinitely without bail. And used the law to arrest and detain people protesting against a controversial law. [2]

The same government that set up a "donation fund" called "PM Cares", ostensibly to help people affected by Covid-19 and lockdown, but then refused to divulge details under our RTI - Right to Information Act - claiming it was not a public authority. [3]

But then exempted this fund from the same draconian FCRA rules [4]

Oh, if that's not enough, this government also passed a law exempting political parties from scrutiny in foreign funding under the FCRA. Want to guess which is the richest political party in India now? Google it. [5]

Did I mention they also introduced "electoral bonds" to allow anonymous corporate funding for political parties? [6]

Amnesty International was drawing too much attention to the human rights abuses of the government, so the state has come down with all its might on it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Kashmir

[2] https://www.thequint.com/news/law/no-bail-in-uapa-cases-rega...

[3] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/coronavirus-pm-cares-...

[4] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/pm-cares-fund-gets-fc...

[5] https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/lok-sabha-passes-bill...

[6] https://www.newindianexpress.com/opinions/2019/dec/01/time-t...

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Re. conversion - nilsocket, do you believe that every individual has agency in choosing their religion? Or do you believe that these choices should be made for them by “those that know better”? An analogy, do you think that your occupation should be something you can choose? Or should that choice be made for you by “those that know better”? If the conversion is “forced” or “fake”, nothing changes on the ground anyway…

I very much believe in self-belief. I don't have any problem, if people convert to Christianity with their self-will and knowledge. Look at this handle, https://twitter.com/noconversion How many kinds of deceptions are being used by Christians in order to convert native people: Money to Defend rioters and convertions: https://twitter.com/Satyanewshi/status/1310562881469952000?s... Backed by state government in Andhra…

Yeah all very bad. Dunking in cow urine and bullshit for protection from Covid that's golden and kosher though.

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Maybe I missed something or forgot how citizenship works here in France (since I learned how it is acquired as a student), but birthright citizenship seems pretty similar to what we have here

Just checked the wiki, looks like France defines something called double jus soli, which means a person who was born in France to a parent who themselves is born in France (even though they might not be a French citizen) gets the citizenship. That's a bit closer to birthright citizenship that what we have in Germany, but nowhere as liberal as USA laws, which give citizenship to anyone born in the USA even if their pa…

It seems I didn't look closely enough at the details, thanks for the clarification

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I am very glad foreign funded vested interest groups working as NGOs like Amnesty International is leaving India for good. NGOs like Amnesty and Greenpeace has been involved in shady work in many places in India, including religious conversion and paid protests in remote villages. Hindus being a global minority need to be cautious and are worried about such conversion activities. Indian govt has been asking NGOs to c…

Some of these mines that have been stopped for environmental concerns ship ore to foreign countries at peanut rates, literally a few rupees per ton. These are made into products that are then imported into India. If you really think that the way out of poverty is by selling raw ore and irreparably damaging environment, which by the way is a genuine wealth of the country, then you have either not thought it through or are intentionally shilling with dishonest intent.

As far as FCRA goes, that violates international laws

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/icj-says-fcra-bill-in...

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Hindu nationalism is just like any nationalism. It harms liberties. India: Arrests of Activists Politically Motivated https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/09/16/india-arrests-activists-... Under Modi, India's Press Not Free Anymore https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/world/asia/modi-india-pre... Critics of India’s Modi Government Face Sedition Charges https://thediplomat.com/2020/03/critics-of-indias-modi-gover... Is free sp…

India was never really secular.

The previous PM advocated for Muslims having first rights on resources.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Muslims-must-have-...

I am not really sure how that is secular.

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It would be more helpful if you could substantiate your claims with some reliable references. Otherwise it is just throwing dirt at someone's work.

https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/131096945905453875... https://twitter.com/ARanganathan72/status/117000966338502656... https://www.opindia.com/2019/09/the-life-and-crimes-of-amnes... https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-others/india-h... https://swarajyamag.com/culture/how-northeast-india-was-chri... https://tfipost.com/2016/09/christian-missionaries-conversio...

Opindia is a fake news channel that created to incite communal violence.

https://thewire.in/communalism/bihar-opindia-khabartak-minor... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpIndia

That you get your news from there, or if not, choose to paste links to their reporting tells a lot about your agenda here.

Swarajyamag is rightwing mouthpiece. Opinion of one person on the internet who happens to have a twitter account counts for very little.

Indian Express is reliable and all that report says that there are a lot of shady NGO's in India. That has no relevance on whether AI is shady or not.

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