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Fun Yet Effective Meetings

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Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

#21
> slack

Slack to record meeting decisions? That has to be the most ridiculous proposition ever. Slack is a chat system, not supposed to become a knowledge repository or even remotely made for capturing meeting notes. Using effective tools for the job matter.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

#22
post #2

I agree with the author's crusade against pointless meetings, but their attack on email doesn't sit well with me. > Avoid email loops. Those have too much overhead, and will divide your audience pretty quickly. The author recommends "async slack" in a cartoon, but then advises against using email -- which is IMO far superior to "async slack" in every way possible. Mailing lists are severely under valued in corporate…

The problem with an email loop is it has no visibility to newcomers. If you create a channel for a particular topic, then when someone new joins the team, you can point them to that channel to catch up.

> when when someone new joins the team

What happens is that someone new joining the team will not even bother searching thru dozens of channels, they will use the chat system to ask questions instead. Completely failure of knowledge management.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

#23
post #2

I agree with the author's crusade against pointless meetings, but their attack on email doesn't sit well with me. > Avoid email loops. Those have too much overhead, and will divide your audience pretty quickly. The author recommends "async slack" in a cartoon, but then advises against using email -- which is IMO far superior to "async slack" in every way possible. Mailing lists are severely under valued in corporate…

I have trouble with both email and/or slack or MS Teams. All are full of notifications, requests, and unintentional spam. But none has a way of identifying which is which. So I'm stuck trying to sort all that out. I can tag them, but that puts a lot of work on me.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

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post #2

I agree with the author's crusade against pointless meetings, but their attack on email doesn't sit well with me. > Avoid email loops. Those have too much overhead, and will divide your audience pretty quickly. The author recommends "async slack" in a cartoon, but then advises against using email -- which is IMO far superior to "async slack" in every way possible. Mailing lists are severely under valued in corporate…

Basecamp seems like a good alternative. I can't stand Slack for anything, really. Email is OK, but you can't easily just add someone into a group of old emails automatically. Well, I suppose you could, based on your email service, but yeah. I think this kind of thing is where Basecamp and similar tools really shine.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

#25
Any time I read threads like this one I am grateful I found Basecamp years ago. Granted, my company has a really small team (projects with 4 internal people on it), but largely due to how Basecamp is structured and my own dislike of being interrupted or time-sucking meetings, we suffer very little of the problems OP brings up. I strongly recommend Basecamp or at least checking out the philosophy behind the software.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

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I see the note at the top of the post that it's meant to be extreme and satirical, but a lot of people actually try to substitute Slack for a meeting or quick zoom call and I think it's incredibly counter productive. The efficiency of verbal communication should be prioritized any time a Slack thread goes beyond ~10 replies. Slack is where work goes to die; not meetings.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

#27

I see the note at the top of the post that it's meant to be extreme and satirical, but a lot of people actually try to substitute Slack for a meeting or quick zoom call and I think it's incredibly counter productive. The efficiency of verbal communication should be prioritized any time a Slack thread goes beyond ~10 replies. Slack is where work goes to die; not meetings.

Any form of communication can be helpful with norms and proper framing. I regularly use Slack for asynchronous decision-making where we’re explicitly not trying to fill each others’ calendars with more meetings, and we start with a specific question as a frame and what we want to get out of it. Threads can be long, but it also doesn’t pollute the rest of the channel, so it’s opt-in. It’s expected folks will bring the group back to the topic of discussion strays. And 80-90% of the time, we can get most or all decisions out of the way, such that if we have a meeting, we’re focusing that time just on the areas where a meeting is necessary.

Without some kind of guard rails through norms or framing, any communication, including a meeting, can get unproductive fast.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

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I see the note at the top of the post that it's meant to be extreme and satirical, but a lot of people actually try to substitute Slack for a meeting or quick zoom call and I think it's incredibly counter productive. The efficiency of verbal communication should be prioritized any time a Slack thread goes beyond ~10 replies. Slack is where work goes to die; not meetings.

It heavily depends on why the thread is getting long.

If people are talking past each other on trivial matters, sure a call should be faster. Or if the core issue is to take a simple decision or iron internal politics.

If it’s a complex issue that needs input from a number of people, with resources and/or documentation to consult, and a need for well thought input vs. random babbling, participants should actively fight the urge to move to a call IMO.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

#29
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One argument that I could imagine (not sure that I'm supporting it) to prefer slack over mail: usage patterns for a shared email channel are far more individual than for a branded async medium like slack. With mail, some people will do elaborate filtering, others just dump everything in a single inbox. Some will use mail very close to real-time (perhaps even do all their mail hands-off through some Siri/Alexa/whateve…

>usage patterns for a shared email channel are far more individual than for a branded async medium like slack on the other hand this can also be argued as a strength of email (which is what I would do) because different people need different usage patterns to work optimally, by forcing people into a one size fits all solution you will ensure some people will work less well than others.

Just invoke accessibility as an implicit benefit of the multitude of email usage possibilities and slack etc should be almost taboo.

Re: Fun Yet Effective Meetings

#30

This piece is a collection of disjointed claims and complaints. There is little in the way of argumentation to support any of them (and nothing in the way of evidence). The existence of a valid opposing view on each of these claims isn't even acknowledged. Then there's that the content is disjointed from the title. Clickbait is evil. TBH I don't get why this post floated to HN top. Especially when there are so many b…

Perhaps people only read the title? I too found this really disjointed. The author says the whole thing is "extreme satire" in the header, but it doesn't read that way, so I found myself increasingly confused as I attempted to read.
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