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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Sep 27, 2020, 7:11 AM UTC

itsoktocry wrote: post #189

peterthehacker wrote: post #169

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I’d guess jb775 saw a clip with a conservative lawmaker or pundit making this point. It’s been floating around the news lately. Take a look at the recent argument between Sen. Rand Paul and Dr. Fauci[0]. Essentially republicans are trying to push this idea that the number of infections and deaths from COVID-19 are inevitable and any government intervention can only impact the timing. In other words the area under the…

> They don’t want people thinking that if action was taken by the U.S. gov sooner (Feb instead of Apr).. Why do you single out "conservatives" when Democratic politicians were telling people during the Chinese Lunar New Year there was nothing to worry about? This wasn't a partisan blunder.

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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by thu2111 » Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 8:27 AM UTC

pvaldes wrote: post #196

thu2111 wrote: post #192

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It actually didn't save anyone because there was never any risk of hospital overload when panic didn't set in: Sweden has one of the lowest ICU capacities in Europe and never saw hospital overload. A few places did, but that's because they over-reacted and quarantined lots of their medical staff. That's the reaction not the virus.

It does not matter so much if you die in the hospital or in your home, in the end you are still dead. Deterring people to go to the hospitals, that are destined to save lifes, so they die at home instead, is not brilliant advice. They can (and will) sell it as a success, but Swedden still had much more people killed than their twin country Norway. The fact that those hospital rooms where not occupied despite having s…

Sweden didn't deter people from going to the hospitals. That's what happened in places like the UK, where the government literally told people to "protect the NHS", and the UK has consequently had one of the highest death rates in Europe.

but Swedden still had much more people killed than their twin country Norway.

So what? Zero deaths was not ever a goal of lockdowns, and cannot have been because there's no logical way to get from that policy to that outcome. You've done what lockdown advocates always do when Sweden comes up: not just shift the goalposts but move them entirely out of the field.

At any rate, Norway may simply have not had the disease spread through the population yet, or they may have just got lucky - seasonal flu always hits some countries and not others for unexplained reasons. It doesn't ultimately matter. Sweden disproved epidemiological models, and thus the actions taken on their basis were not justified.

As for physicians, luckily the opinion of a doctor here or there is not sufficient to change actual data or observed reality. Fortunately most doctors are sensible: there are plenty who have been outspoken against lockdown precisely because it emptied the hospitals and clinics leaving them with a huge backlog of patients who they could have saved but now cannot.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by clinta » Tue, Sep 29, 2020, 11:19 AM UTC

ardy42 wrote: post #176

clinta wrote: post #162

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So should we ban all driving? Because that is the analogous reaction to prohibiting any gatherings.

> So should we ban all driving? Because that is the analogous reaction to prohibiting any gatherings. That's a straw man: no one is proposing banning all gatherings forever. Drunk people are banned from driving when they're drunk, not when they're sober. People like these students will have to suffer some analogous restrictions during this pandemic, especially in hot spots like Boulder, but those restrictions will st…

>Drunk people are banned from driving when they're drunk, not when they're sober.

But they're not just banning gatherings of sick people when they are sick, they are banning healthy people from gathering too. So maybe we don't ban driving every night, just New Years Eve and St Paddy's day, when there's a higher number of drunk drivers out?