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“I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Post by Insanity »

StavrosK wrote: post #127
bootloop wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ha. In my case it was 700€, took 3 people and 3 hours, a crossbar broke in half and afterwards the security door needed to be replaced anyway (because at the end they cut it open with an angle grinder). All that at 1 o'clock in the morning. Nobody of the neighbors cared or called the police. 0/10, wouldn't recommend the experience to anyone else. I could have done the same for free. Fun fact: The companies boss pause…

> I could have done the same for free. But all your tools were behind that door?

Depending on how much the tools cost, OP might have been able to buy new tools and then do. Then even resell the tools to make some of the money back.

Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Post by StavrosK »

Insanity wrote: post #131
StavrosK wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I could have done the same for free. But all your tools were behind that door?

Depending on how much the tools cost, OP might have been able to buy new tools and then do. Then even resell the tools to make some of the money back.

Sounds like he was paying for the "1 o'clock in the morning" part, rather than the "opening the door" part.

Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

grugagag wrote: post #49
nip wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One day you come home and realize that you locked yourself out of your home. You call the locksmith. He arrives, looks at the door, fiddles with the lock for one minute, opens the door then leaves. The next day you receive the bill, 150€. Are you mad for spending so much for one minute of work? You shouldn’t: you paid for the experience that allowed him to open it in 1 minute. — Recalling it from a discussion with a…

Speaking of which there are some croocked locksmiths out there who pretend they cant lockpick the lock, try a few different methods to fail and add to labor and eventually drill through the core, damage the lock, charge you more than 500 and additional few hundred to replace the lock. It happened to my friend’s mom. Sometimes it’s experience but sometimes it’s just overcharging. If it’s higher than market price it ma…

>Sometimes it’s experience but sometimes it’s just overcharging

The things the "hurr durr muh quality goods, muh experienced professional, you get what you pay for crowd" gets oh so wrong is that while you pretty much never get more than you pay for, you can quite readily get less. There's a relevant proverb about fools and their money.

Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Post by faebi »

ehnto wrote: post #15
helsinkiandrew wrote: post #8

I used to work at a bank whose homeworking remote login system would timeout after a ridiculously short period. The solution (used by many, and widely publicised around the company) was to place an optical mouse over the face of a clock whose movement would trigger a tiny movement every so often and keep you logged in. I'm sure the remote staff at his company have worked out how to browse facebook and instagram on th…

Reminds me of a friend who currently leaves a heavy object on his spacebar inside a text doc at night, so that it shows him active all the time. That way they won't see when he clocks in. It's one of those jobs where it doesn't matter when he does the work, but the silent judgment of the clock causes stress anyway and people make comments.

Does it ever crash?

Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Post by simonkafan »

I would agree to work for Shibu Philip if he applies the same rules to himself and workers can see his keystrokes, mouse movements and websites visited. And if he's not spending his time looking at employees keystrokes, mouse movements and websites visited, his bonus is halved every time someone catches him doing something else.

Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Post by spurgu »

nip wrote: post #36
zenincognito wrote: post #5

I once went to court against a client who wouldn't pay his bills. The sum more than 35K. It took over 9 months to get to court ( as the court wouldnt give a date ) and countless docs and hours spent to come up with evidence folder. In Australia, a citizen can argue their case which I did without using any lawyers. Finally, we both argued our case to a point where the client's defence was that there was no time log fo…

One day you come home and realize that you locked yourself out of your home. You call the locksmith. He arrives, looks at the door, fiddles with the lock for one minute, opens the door then leaves. The next day you receive the bill, 150€. Are you mad for spending so much for one minute of work? You shouldn’t: you paid for the experience that allowed him to open it in 1 minute. — Recalling it from a discussion with a…

Yeah you're not paying a plumber to tap on some pipes. You're paying him for knowing which pipes to tap.

Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Post by b0rsuk »

Nursie wrote: post #76
mrweasel wrote: post #21

I worked for a company with a UK department, the UK boss would routinely use similar software to check that people where actually working and doing things correctly. The Scandinavian bosses opted to just trust everyone to do the right thing and people always would. Interestingly enough if was always the British employees who would do things like steal customer contact lists when they left or do deals on the side, so…

Honestly, as a Brit, I think we have a pathological work culture. Employees are often treated like naughty children, and in return they behave that way.

You might find our Polish workplaces a refreshing change. Employees are often treated like feudal peasants.

Poland never really had bourgeoisie/townsfolk class. Jews were the closest, in part because they were forbidden by law to own land.

It was almost entirely peasants and gentry(20% at most), with clergy also playing a big role but the last two would pretty often overlap.

The time when social changes happened in Europe Poland spent partitioned, under foreign rule. Progressive changes, like freeing of peasant class, were often imposed, even by Russian tzars. They were rarely a result of internal consensus.

Re: “I monitor my staff with software that takes screenshots”

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Post by Lio »

zenincognito wrote: post #5

I once went to court against a client who wouldn't pay his bills. The sum more than 35K. It took over 9 months to get to court ( as the court wouldnt give a date ) and countless docs and hours spent to come up with evidence folder. In Australia, a citizen can argue their case which I did without using any lawyers. Finally, we both argued our case to a point where the client's defence was that there was no time log fo…

In the UK contractors actually have to be very careful to bill for deliverables and not just for time sitting on a seat.

The HMRC's IR35 regulations would regard someone who just comes in and does whatever is asked of them as a "disguised employee" where as those who have fixed deliverables can be treated as external suppliers (even if they bill for the number of days it took to deliver).

The difference is subtle but very important.

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