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SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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Re: SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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> On January 15, 2018, Bohra used her work computer to search Google for “AMZN.” How does the SEC know this? Is it most likely browser history? Google account history? Corporate monitoring software?

Amazon probably had to comply with giving up the corporate monitoring data most likely.

Probably complied gladly. They don't want folks insider trading either.

Re: SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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As alleged, the family reaped illicit profits of approximately $1.4 million from their unlawful trading in Amazon securities. Did anyone really need insider information to know Amazon stock was going to rise? Although $1.4 million is life changing amount of money, I feel like for these people who were already being generously compensated in Amazon stock, it probably wasn't worth the risk, especially given the quote b…

If it really is widely known that a stock will definitely rise at some point in the future, that very quickly gets priced into the stock price now. It goes up gradually as confidence that it will go up goes up.

Sort of true, but alsorts of issues can leap in unannounced and shoot your plans in the foot. You can prove in covid now but was it priced in in January, February, March, definitely by April for the majority.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article mentions that they were asked to pay just under twice their profit (2 * $1.4 million)

I would not do this, because it is unethical. However, if there is a 5% chance you will get caught and lose 230% your profit margin, seems like a rational agent would do insider trading at every opportunity.

I imagine if you get caught once, the SEC is going to audit everything you've done and find most occurrences of insider training. Theres a 5% chance for each of those occurrences and you're going to owe a lot if any are found.

Re: SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do really dumb things for relatively small amounts of money. Look up examples of corruption in US city administrators. You’ll see people who throw away their career over $30k.

Martha Stewart was jailed for avoiding a loss of ~$45k USD.

I think she was jailed for obstruction of justice / lying to investigators. She had to pay civil penalties for the actual loss avoided.

Re: SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People do really dumb things for relatively small amounts of money. Look up examples of corruption in US city administrators. You’ll see people who throw away their career over $30k.

Martha Stewart was jailed for avoiding a loss of ~$45k USD.

Yeah, and it's weird but it turned out that Al Capone jeopardized his entire empire over just not paying taxes on $100k in income. Strange that despite his incredible business acumen he committed this one small crime.

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Depends on what they initially put in. Lets say you made 1.4mil of 100k investment. That would be pretty good.

Seems like an $850k investment for a $640k profit. So good, but not go to gaol good. Especially when it's split 3 or 4 ways as it seems this would have been.

It's a family thing. They aren't splitting it in any direction. It's kept in the family.

Re: SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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> On January 15, 2018, Bohra used her work computer to search Google for “AMZN.” How does the SEC know this? Is it most likely browser history? Google account history? Corporate monitoring software?

Amazon probably had to comply with giving up the corporate monitoring data most likely.

Not only that but if she’s in finance, the monitoring requirements for what you do on work machines is even higher. And as a child comment said, Amazon complied willingly. Nothing forced at all. It doesn’t want insider-trading either.

Re: SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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It is funny that high management is never considered to be doing illegal insider trading (except for obvious missteps), but they're the ones responsible for capital allocation, stock/option grants, and all kinds of decisions that will impact financial results in the next quarter.

And their trades are typically scheduled in advance and public. Their job and fiduciary duty is to maximize shareholder value, and they make decisions so that happens. If that means allocating $ and rewarding people that will attain that goal, then what should be considered illegal?

All the real money is in quid pro quo's.

Re: SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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This family will likely be ruined by these charges. Even if they successfully defend against these charges, the lawyer fees will wreck them financially.

Meanwhile, Mr. Musk has literally gotten a slap on the wrist for multiple flagrant violations of securities law. There are definitely two justice systems in the US. The ultra-rich do not play by the same rules that you and I do.

Re: SEC charges former Amazon finance manager and family with insider trading

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For those wondering “really, they had the Amazon earnings ahead of time and only made $1.4M?” this reminded me of a good Matt Levine writeup about a group of folks who obtained massive numbers of earnings reports ahead of time [1]. Having the clear knowledge of the earnings report doesn’t give you perfect knowledge on how to trade it / the reaction!

> Their performance is statistically significantly greater than that of random choice. However, the difference is economically small. For example, only 31% of earnings announcements traded by the informed traders fell within the tail deciles. About 70% of their informed trades missed the biggest stock price return opportunities. They traded earnings announcements with an average absolute return of 5.15%. The average earnings announcement return in the tail deciles is 11.3% (median 9.2%).

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/opinion/articles/2019-11-26/kn...

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