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Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

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There are real problems here. But I can't see past the author's terrible personal habits that magnify every single one of them. Nobody forced them to: - start their day by reviewing COVID numbers - allow push-notifications from "news" apps - listen to NPR while showering - generally allow social media to dictate their mood/schedule All of these habits are as easy to change as they are damaging. Edit to add: In no way…

It's hard to square this take against the billions of dollars spent optimizing dopamine feedback loops on social media and dark patterns to trick users into falling victim.

Just. Turn. It. Off.

The author makes a bunch of dumb, easily fixable decisions and then writes a blog post whining about them. It’s so tiresome.

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this a serious question?

Yes. What is the DFW being referred to?

When you list three acronym expansions, and two are incapable of feeling pride, you're not actually serious.

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

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The problem is far beyond this scope, but one thing that made a huge difference for me was Android introducing the (mandatory) idea of "Channels" to notifications.

Totally up to the developer how they want to use the feature, but the idea is that there's bunch of different channels & that users can pick & choose from among them gives the user some control, some ability to decide for themselves what is important.

I introduced an issue for Web Notifications to add similar: https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/issues/154

In general though things are a mess. I'm talking about adding more complexity. Websites used to prompt for adding notifications, which was a pain, but now they put some HTML on screen instead to prompt for notifications, since to be friendly/secure it was decided user-interaction would be required to bring up the prompt for notifications. So websites still have harassing notifications prompts, just on the page instead of in the browser. And cookie and gdpr notifications. And a chat agent-bot pops up to ask if you have any questions. Ugh it's silly. So many affordances that all compete with one another. No standard place where they can reside, & be viewed or ignored as the user would prefer. The whole permissions model on the web has this problem: that permissions are interactive demands, versus something more passive (like living in the awesome-bar).

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

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There are real problems here. But I can't see past the author's terrible personal habits that magnify every single one of them. Nobody forced them to: - start their day by reviewing COVID numbers - allow push-notifications from "news" apps - listen to NPR while showering - generally allow social media to dictate their mood/schedule All of these habits are as easy to change as they are damaging. Edit to add: In no way…

Yeah, I came here to say same/related; technology did not create these problems. We created them. Our society, our social norms, and the very hard to avoid evolutionary programmed behaviours; "display" (for mate), "herding" and "parenting/family bonding".

Still, none of that is an excuse for making bad choices. It's hard but people can and should fight their instincts (esp when they are being exploited by others).

At least for "adults", children haven't necessarily developed enough to make choices. [With all our(USA) "think of the children", helicopter parenting, and overprotection of kids; I have no idea why parents accept advertising targeted to kids and teens? The illogic and dual standards are absolutely baffling.]

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

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I literally couldn't come up with a better example of False Dilemma fallacy: > Moving to the woods and going full Thoreau, for most of us, is simply not an option. The only long-term fix is making the background into foreground: calling out the exact ways digital technologies have colonized our lives, aggravating and expanding our burnout in the name of efficiency. Technology didn't colonize anything, you invited ove…

More like, the house guest is a sweet talker who cajoles you into letting them stay every time despite them not doing much for you in return. Let’s not pretend like technology isn’t vigorously A/B testing its way into being as psychologically addicting as possible.

Like a vampire, needs to be invited in, won’t leave.

Only solution is to aggressively deny all push notification requests

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

#46

The irony of this story being posted to HN, where the majority of users are in professions likely contributing to the worsening of internet and social media addiction. Read the comments and it's a bunch of folks making fun of the author for "opting in". What a surprise there.

I don’t think it is irony to want to reexamine the work your industry has done with a critical eye. Learning from your mistakes is not irony.

I could post the definition of irony here but I'll likely get down-voted to hell and back for "snark" or some such, but I'm pretty sure this situation being ironic and/or as a way to "learn from your mistakes" is not mutually exclusive.

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

#47

There are real problems here. But I can't see past the author's terrible personal habits that magnify every single one of them. Nobody forced them to: - start their day by reviewing COVID numbers - allow push-notifications from "news" apps - listen to NPR while showering - generally allow social media to dictate their mood/schedule All of these habits are as easy to change as they are damaging. Edit to add: In no way…

There is some middle ground between the "just turn it off" folks and the article.

For me, by default I deny notifications to apps. Only communications (like WhatsApp/Signal/iMessages/email client) and stuff that NEEDS to notify me (like UptimeRobot). For email, I only get notifications when emails hit a certain filter. For WhatsApp, I mute all the groups.

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

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post #34

Lots of blaming the victim here.

Agreed. And I can't help but think it is in large part because a lot of the commenters here have made their money implementing and fine tuning the very things the article is complaining about.

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

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The thing that bugs me constantly is that my #1 technology wish is that dismissing a notification on one device would automatically dismiss it on all of them.

I legitimately want notifications of calendar events, missed calls, and messages on whatever screen I'm looking at now -- my desktop, my laptop, my watch, and my phone vibrating in my pocket for when I'm not looking at anything.

But once I get the message -- once I swipe left on my phone, hit "close" on my computer, or whatever, I want them all to disappear. Instead, I've got to swipe/close on every damn device. Regularly when I look at a new device, the first thing I need to do is remove notifications I've already seen. Sometimes I have to click into an app and navigate to notifications just to get the red dot to also disappear. Sometimes I have to delete an e-mail notification as well.

My desperate wish: there should be a standard across iOS, Android, SMS, dektop OS's, and e-mail to include a notification UUID with every notification, a standardized message format (user -> server) that means "dismiss everwhere", and yet another standardized message format (server -> device) that means "dimiss previous notification".

Android and iOS can build it into thier OS, and Gmail, Exchange and other e-mail providers can similarly build support for it (automatically mark the e-mail as read and archive it). Worst-case scenario, if your e-mail provider doesn't support it, you sometimes get an extra e-mail you filter out. (Or servers only bother sending the "remove existing notification" to e-mail domains that contain a flag advertising they support it.)

Any reason this wouldn't work? Or that it wouldn't make all our lives hugely better?

Re: Technology has created a barrage of notifications and interactions

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think it is irony to want to reexamine the work your industry has done with a critical eye. Learning from your mistakes is not irony.

I could post the definition of irony here but I'll likely get down-voted to hell and back for "snark" or some such, but I'm pretty sure this situation being ironic and/or as a way to "learn from your mistakes" is not mutually exclusive.

I guess it depends on where you find the irony... I think I have a pretty good understanding of what irony is, so maybe you can just explain where you see it in the situation you describe?
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