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Re: Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Cramer coined the FAANG acronym, Netflix was included. That group of companies was grouped together by investors due to their performance and marked dominance at the time, which has by and large continued. In addition to their stock price, these companies also pay very well. In fact, if you are lucky to get an offer from Netflix, their aim is to pay you and keep you at "top of personal market". That is, they do…

I think that is really a myth(highest pay). I know that bytedance pays more than netflix(stock + cash), also hedge funds, citadel and DE Shaw pay way more than netflix does. 500k-700k all cash, I just chatted with their recruiters the past month and this is what they saying comp packages for senior+ engineers go for.

Pay per hour is less at hedge funds and/or income is more volatile. Plus I would put a hefty quality of life premium for being able to live on the west coast over being stuck in NYC/Chicago.

Re: Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Cramer coined the FAANG acronym, Netflix was included. That group of companies was grouped together by investors due to their performance and marked dominance at the time, which has by and large continued. In addition to their stock price, these companies also pay very well. In fact, if you are lucky to get an offer from Netflix, their aim is to pay you and keep you at "top of personal market". That is, they do…

You can choose how much of your comp to take in equity, if you work in countries where that is allowed (most of them.) We pay enough that your compensation is not a reason you want to leave (or stay — we don’t pay more than the best you could possibly get elsewhere.) because our philosophy on compensation is such, it has a few ripple effects - there aren’t limited budgets for raises, instead we ask for each person di…

You mean Netflix here that's interesting and more tax efficient.

How is this structured in the UK where US companies have difficulty offering tax efficient employee share schemes.

Not looking for a Search Director are you :-) my senior band 7-6 opportunity with the uk civl service seems to have disappeared with covid.

Re: Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries

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I think the article improperly conflates Rick and a 10x developer.

I have an essay I wrote a while ago lying around that talks about the Intermediate Programmer - Rick sounds like a perfect example. The IP is the one that has the gumption to try out various inventions and experiments, usually focusing on the trying to solve a problem with a perfect Beautiful Machine, but that doesn't yet have the perspective to know how code needs will change in the future, and how to design code to make it easy to change.

I've had people on my teams that can code circles around me in various ways, and whose gorgeous intricate multi-level generics-heavy code was also regularly deleted a few weeks/months later in favor of something literal, boilerplate, small, and easy to understand and change. (Don't get me wrong, multi-level generics-heavy code is GOOD in some cases, but you have to know when.)

The good IPs learn from these lessons without letting their ego get in the way, and eventually become advanced programmers. The bad ones claim they are advanced and cause problems. Sounds like Rick was a 0.5x developer or less.

Re: Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries

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post #144

I interviewed at Netflix several years ago. It was a fairly standard SV interview. That is - whiteboard questions on basic data structures and algorithms (I'm 40 and I still absolutely suck at those). Failed of course :) But they put me up in a really nice hotel, so there's that. In the years since, I've definitely lost all interest in working in SV (the fact that I've failed every single interview I've had with SV c…

I think if you don't break into major SV companies early in your career it becomes extremely hard to do so later on because people start assuming you must have already tried and failed so aren't at the right standard.

I think a lot of this comes from the superstar model implicit in the VC ecosystem. One perennial theme in the SV approach to business is the idea of making a lot of bets with skewed upside. Like buying call options, the vast majority won't pay out. But if you do it right, a small handful of homeruns will make up for the rest.

I think this mindset easily carries over from the investing side into the hiring side. What is an employee, if not a risky upfront investment? Especially at a hyper-growth startup that's already bleeding cash flow. Very few 23-year olds will be productive enough to justify a quarter million in compensation. But a handful of very talented ones, when put in a high-impact position with a ton of responsibility will knock it out of the park.

The median 40-year old experienced engineer is almost certainly more competent and productive than someone fresh out of school. But Silicon Valley doesn't optimize for the median, it optimizes for fat right tails. Hire or invest in a 23-year old SWE and there's always a small chance that you be scooping up the next Elon Musk. At 40, Elon Musk definitely wasn't browsing through monster.com.

However, I believe this paradigm rests on a faulty premise. A more reliable way to create an exceptional organizations is to build an exceptional culture, not try to bottle the lightning of individual superstars. Unfortunately, that approach involves sacrificing some sacred cows of Valley ideology.

Building a strong corporate culture requires effective managers, as well as brilliant engineers. The typical founder does not fit the mold of an effective corporate manager. 28-year olds can be good managers, but a 50-year old with decades of experience is almost certainly more likely. Replacing the founder with a professional CEO is anathema is the modern "founder-friendly" culture.

Beyond that a professional manager at the helm very likely means a more button-down corporate orthodox environment. Not necessarily because it's better, but just as a byproduct of how the CEO is used to operating. Mitt Romney runs a very different shop than Adam Neumann. Put Mitt in charge of the next startup, and things are going to start looking uncomfortably more like Initrode rather than the typical hipster startup.

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post #77

I think 100x is hyperbol however you slice it, run away from anyone who tells you they are a 100x developer. 10x may be achievable... but I argue that it is at least partly due to the prevailing code-base. Every competent developer is a 10x developer on a green field project just like every competent developer is a 0.1x developer on a messy legacy spaghetti-code disaster of a project (Making the differential 100x I g…

Reed is taking that into account. Reed and Netflix have been creating software for many years. They certainly have had "Rockstars" who could bust out functional but unmaintainable code. Those people are not valuable to Netflix because Netflix is looking for long term success. A 100x engineer exists in the context of a global company like Netflix. Because if a developer makes something just 1% better that translates i…

Netflix doesn't win or lose customers based on programmer performance, they win by having content that people actually want to watch. I don't care if the UI is 10% less slick, as long as they have stuff I want to watch.

The only reason I've ever considered dropping Netflix is "why am I paying for this when there is nothing I want to watch". Fortunately, they have come through with some interesting content recently, and I'm still paying them. But give it a month or two with nothing I want to watch, and I'm pulling that plug, and no amount of 100x programmers will be able to keep me as a customer.

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post #194

Netflix seems to have the best tech, at least from a user perspective in Mexico. On my LG tv their app is the best, by far. I wish all the other services just served their content through Netflix. All new content has 4K HDR with Dolby vision/atmos and streaming is quite fast on my 200 Mbps fiber connection. HBO Go is pure garbage. The app is clunky and has way worse UX than Netflix. The streaming quality is absolute…

Don't get your hopes up about Disney+

Re: Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries

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post #201
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably because they are a 200B+ company

While high, nearly an order of magnitude lower than all the others in FAANG. Microsoft is a 1.5T+ company yet remains excluded. Imo, FAANG means 'sexy millenial tech company with a gigantic retail investment interest' moreso than anything about the size and significance of the actual companies.

Nowadays, FAANG includes Microsoft, it's just the M doesn't fit into the acronym as nicely. As far as I understand, it's a high profit margin, high paying, high growth business with the ability to scale at extremely low marginal costs and collect lots of rent, hence lots of upside.

Re: Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries

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Is it because they want to be reflective of what they see you as? Contractors. My understanding is that Netflix hires/fires agressively. (The entire team gets removed if the project fails) Also there was phrase for it: "Enjoy your time while you're here" (As in.. everyone has an expiration date)

Re: Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries

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post #144

I interviewed at Netflix several years ago. It was a fairly standard SV interview. That is - whiteboard questions on basic data structures and algorithms (I'm 40 and I still absolutely suck at those). Failed of course :) But they put me up in a really nice hotel, so there's that. In the years since, I've definitely lost all interest in working in SV (the fact that I've failed every single interview I've had with SV c…

What were the words they used to decline proceeding? Do you happen to remember?

This was years ago, so my memory is fuzzy on this - not sure how much I really heard after I knew I was being told no :)

There was a decision point about halfway through the day (after being grilled by engineers) where I was going to be either cut loose or sent on to interview with more senior level people and/or HR.

"How do you think you did?"

"Eh... ok, I think. I was struggling on the data structures."

"Yes, that's what I'm hearing from $ENGINEER. There are reasons for this - maybe you are out of practice, it's been a while since college, or you don't use this knowledge in your daily work. But we do deal with this stuff at Netflix, so for this reason we're not going to move forward at this time."

I was interviewing for a position doing Scala (at that point in my career, I was doing some Scala work, and it was still a fairly new and hard skill to find). The person giving me the bad news was a Lead Engineer and a proponent of Scala, seemed a bit disappointed that I knew Scala but got tripped up by low-level implementation details of some data structure (Naturally, the solution came to me later on the plane ride home). I actually had studied for this interview - but I had studied the wrong things (I was focusing on Scala-specific knowledge, but they really grilled me on fundamentals).

Re: Netflix CEO explains why he pays technologists huge salaries

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post #32

In my opinion a huge role in the raise of IT people salary is their tendency to brag about their salary, one way or another. For better or for worse, this lead to discussions about salary, negotiating practices, and to people looking elsewhere. I sometimes speak with people that work in other fields and many of them have zero clue about these topics, whereas in most IT-related discussion boards (whether it's HN, redd…

>> In my opinion a huge role in the raise of IT people salary is their tendency to brag about their salary, one way or another.

In my opinion a huge role in the raise of tech salaries is simply constrained real-estate in the bay area. Just looking at rents and homeprices, I wonder if cost-of-living adjusted salaries have actually gone up much in the bay area.

However...it does set the bar for the country overall, which is good for everyone.

Secondly, i'm not sure about brag but I think tech companies have realized that skin-in-the-game has resulted in shared success. This is also great for everyone -- companies, and workers.

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