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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by publicola1990 »

cooljacob204 wrote: post #500
publicola1990 wrote: post #362

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Also TikTok hasn't violated US laws, then where is the case for banning them? Banning something that is perfectly legal seems absurd to do in our legal system. Also US government hasn't made a specific claim of any imminent security threat posed by TikTok. From a data security point of view the expert opinion seems to be that there isn't a clear cut case for singling out and banning tiktok. The ban is therefore undou…

TikTok is not ran or based in the US. I don't get why you think they would be protected under US laws like a US based corporation. Congress and Executive branch can easily ban foreign companies from operating in the US and there is a long history of them doing so.

Either TikTok has right to operate in US or it does not. Is there any letter or terms or conditions of the US law that is prohibiting TikTok from operating? I don't think so.

Also it has been allowed to operate for years till now, What sudden change of circumstance has occurred that banning it is imperative now? The government has not made any explanation.

Ideal solution in this case would be to define a data security and privacy legislation through Congress applicable to all social networking apps/services and clarify the terms under which they can operate. Then if TikTok is complying with them they can operate and if they are in violation they face necessary consequences.

Instead what is happening is arbitrary misuse of executive/administrative powers to promulgate a ban without due process, and based merely on fear and speculation.

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Post by vorpalhex »

whatshisface wrote: post #564
vorpalhex wrote: post #553

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That has nothing to do with the current case. You violate US law by spying on citizens, you get banned. As a foreign company you don't get a right to a trial. The US Government does not have a relationship with your users - you do. If you get banned, your users have a right to sue you to recoup their costs. The US Government does not owe your users anything. If you get banned from the supermarket for not wearing a ma…

> You violate US law by spying on citizens, you get banned. As a foreign company you don't get a right to a trial. If there's no trial, who is to say that any law was violated?

It's literally a requirement of operating in China for the company to share that data with the CCP in full.

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Post by jhardy54 »

082349872349872 wrote: post #361
jhardy54 wrote: post #303

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> TikTok is the generation that is most malleable to propaganda in a way that can undermine an entire generation Citation needed. Come on.

My optimistic side says that if 60 second short videos were ideologically useful, CIA (or your favourite "They") would have weaponised them back in the 1960s[1]. My pessimistic side says they probably are, and maybe they even did. https://www.thinkbox.tv/research/thinkbox-research/a-matter-... [1] CIA didn't exist before 1947, so it would have to have been a different they for late 1920s, or even a different medium f…

I wasn't asking for a citation on whether three-letter agencies have weaponized social media. My issue was the"most malleable" language that belongs in a boomer comic rather than HN.

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Post by joenot443 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #546
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

In that post, Ben writes: > It feels like we're talking past each other. I completely agree! I do feel like you and I and Ben (even after reading Ben's post) are still talking past each other. I am completely lost at the point where you say "A and B, therefore C, the US should ban TikTok." What is it about the combination of success and external control that means TikTok should be banned? Ben wrote: > This [video-bas…

There are pretty massive differences in reach and impact between english.gov.cn and TikTok. I don't think that comparison really holds much water.

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Post by htrp »

danShumway wrote: post #535
advanced-DnD wrote: post #451

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Let's say a child of a worker working in a nuclear reactor site for "Bring your daughter to work-day". She's ofcourse using tiktok, and guess who has that data now. This is just an example. If I spend enough time, I can think of a whole lot more examples.

What a strange comment and line of reasoning. Let's say the nuclear reactor site hosts a "post pictures of our site to Instagram" day. Then who has the data? And then suppose that the worker gets a text from someone impersonating his wife that says, "honey, you should text me some schematics of the plant." That would also be really bad. And then suppose that the worker adopts a Chinese daughter, but really the daught…

What if a time travelling robot based on Tik Tok from the future came back to cause WW3 and the end of the world?

If I spend enough time, I can think of a whole lot more examples.

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Post by wilde »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #546
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

In that post, Ben writes: > It feels like we're talking past each other. I completely agree! I do feel like you and I and Ben (even after reading Ben's post) are still talking past each other. I am completely lost at the point where you say "A and B, therefore C, the US should ban TikTok." What is it about the combination of success and external control that means TikTok should be banned? Ben wrote: > This [video-bas…

To me, this question is easier to model as a function of some scalar impact metric. Suppose we could quantify influence somehow. What people are arguing over is whether TikTok crosses some line of “too much influence” not “existence of influence” for which there are plenty of sources.

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Post by bad_user »

Frost1x wrote: post #538
whatshisface wrote: post #531

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Some TikTok users are in the US, and taking a service away from them should happen under US law.

I think the information age has really pushed the limits of what we find acceptable to leave to independent choice in democratic societies. Freedoms in democracy are being abused left-and-right to highlight specific weaknesses fundamental a democracy's healthy function. When it comes to TikTok, frankly I'm not sure if a foreign business under the thumb of the CCP is more or less a threat than businesses operating in…

The reverse of that coin is that abuse of freedom is turned into an excuse for restricting freedom. It's the modus operandi of authoritarianism.

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Post by NoSorryCannot »

mechnesium wrote: post #492
ecmascript wrote: post #481

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> Western governments are far more sinister than China Oh really, I didn't know my country was doing things way worse then putting people in concentration camps, harvesting organs, putting people in prison because they had group sex, putting people in prison for years because they legally protested etc. Thanks for the information! But just for future discussions when I try to talk down these pesky people that try to…

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It's not whataboutism if the premise made explicitly by you is to compare and contrast the "badness" of the west with China.

And anyway, a claim that the west isn't worse than China does not entail a belief that the west hasn't done anything wrong or doesn't have objectionable administrative policies.

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Post by shadowgovt »

disown wrote: post #214
marsrover wrote: post #17

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Targeted advertising is a major reason for the Internet’s success. It has allowed many companies to become extremely wealthy and invest back into the ecosystem.

> Targeted advertising is a major reason for the Internet’s success. It's the major reason for social media's success, not the internet. The internet was successful long before social media. > It has allowed many companies to become extremely wealthy and invest back into the ecosystem. What? It monopolized the ecosystem. Not the same thing.

What do you mean by "monopolized the ecosystem?"

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Post by throwaway13337 »

I'd love to see a response from other countries where they block Facebook and Twitter permanently or at least force them to change their newsfeed algorithm.

These services are causing the world to become politically unstable by stoking up rage for the purpose of selling ads. This is the biggest threat to our shared future.

Now that America has lead the way, it's hopeful we'll see such a response.

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