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Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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Re: Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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When I bought my house (borrowing roughly 200K) the bank wanted several years of tax returns and basically put my finances under a microscope. Pretty much everything except the anal probe. So, you think a bank that's going to lend Trump 100 Million isn't going to examine his finances in greater detail?

Yes. > In 2003, Deutsche Bank helped Mr. Trump’s casino company sell hundreds of millions of dollars in bonds. > Mr. Trump’s company defaulted in 2004, leaving Deutsche Bank’s clients with deep losses. The bank’s investment division that sold the bonds vowed to not do business again with Mr. Trump > A year later, though, Mr. Trump approached another part of the investment division for a $640 million loan to build a s…

my mind is blown by this

Re: Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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post #114
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The HN angle on this article is the NYT accounts system wasn't prepared for the deluge of subscriptions, fell over, served 500s for hours, and now they made the article free-to-all (as far as I can tell) in response. Get these journos some capacity planners and SREs.

I would have thought the HN angle is where do you draw the line between journalism and data leaks or identity theft? As much as large parts of the public wants to see his taxes, that doesn’t meant a newspaper can hide behind journalism to act as an intermediary to leak them. If that’s the standard then I’m sure it’d be fine for an intern at Joe Biden’s doctors office to leak his full medical records right? EDIT: I fi…

>If that’s the standard then I’m sure it’d be fine for an intern at Joe Biden’s doctors office to leak his full medical records right?

I'm personally of the opinion that the full medical, criminal and financial records of any frontrunner for President should be made public by law.

Re: Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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You overpay during the year, but when you file your returns, do you intentionally deduct less than you’re allowed, or intentionally skip tax credits? I personally would prefer to have the government owe me money than owe the government money, but I do my best to make sure my taxes are accurate and I’m not in the hook for any more than I truly owe. Things like the child tax credit aren’t really meant to encourage part…

I'm thinking more in the category of buying a failing company in anticipation of using it's annual losses to create tax benefits. The level at which you and I are engineering this stuff is kid's play. But that's kind of the idea. If you have extensive amounts of money, you hire a team to engineer getting you out of paying your fair share, I think the average person has the right to be upset about that, since all of t…

You don’t buy money losing companies to have a smaller offset from paying taxes.

Where would the money come from to keep the company in business?

Re: Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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post #114
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The HN angle on this article is the NYT accounts system wasn't prepared for the deluge of subscriptions, fell over, served 500s for hours, and now they made the article free-to-all (as far as I can tell) in response. Get these journos some capacity planners and SREs.

I would have thought the HN angle is where do you draw the line between journalism and data leaks or identity theft? As much as large parts of the public wants to see his taxes, that doesn’t meant a newspaper can hide behind journalism to act as an intermediary to leak them. If that’s the standard then I’m sure it’d be fine for an intern at Joe Biden’s doctors office to leak his full medical records right? EDIT: I fi…

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Re: Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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What "reasons" did the parent cite, and why exactly did you flag this? There is no rule against political content on HN.

Specifically you’re supposed to flag anything not within the guidelines[1]: > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon…

Thanks. I understand how you're reading this, but my observation is that actual practice on HN is less restrictive.

On the front page at the moment I'm writing this, there are at least four more or less political articles:

- Uber secures right to continue operating in London https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24614806

- Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24611558

- French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24610266

- Assange Trial Day 18 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24613979

The first two of these apply to "tech" companies, so you might include them in "hacking and startups" (though hardly under "intellectual curiosity"). The third is purely political and is definitely something that TV news would cover. But it visibly strikes a chord with HN's readership. The fourth is also political; Wikileaks involves email and web pages, but what doesn't nowadays?

Maybe you find that all of these should be flagged too. Maybe only the third one, I don't know. The weasel wording with "most stories" and "probably off-topic", in practice, allows these through, which is why I said that there is no (let me add: clear, explicit) rule against political submissions.

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post #114
post #53

The HN angle on this article is the NYT accounts system wasn't prepared for the deluge of subscriptions, fell over, served 500s for hours, and now they made the article free-to-all (as far as I can tell) in response. Get these journos some capacity planners and SREs.

I would have thought the HN angle is where do you draw the line between journalism and data leaks or identity theft? As much as large parts of the public wants to see his taxes, that doesn’t meant a newspaper can hide behind journalism to act as an intermediary to leak them. If that’s the standard then I’m sure it’d be fine for an intern at Joe Biden’s doctors office to leak his full medical records right? EDIT: I fi…

I disagree with you that medical data cannot be protected by stricter privacy laws. Tax returns could indeed be relevant to find conflicts of interest.

One could argue that holders of a public offices should be exempt of having their privacy protected, but I think it would lead to candidates that are better at hiding. The honest ones probably already lost interest in pursuing any office at that point.

I didn't downvote you and I think the smear campaign about Russian influence was a giant political scandal, no matter what you think about Trump. Somehow it is not because nobody seems to be interested in it.

Re: Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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In my opinion people in high visibility, high power jobs are not allowed to make tasteless jokes towards the people they have power over. It avoids such misunderstandings.

The question moves to whether such crudities win or lose elections. A substantial chunk of voters appear disdainful of meticulously courteous but otherwise objectionable leaders. I didn't care for Bush43's speeches, but Trump makes W seem a rhetorical genius.

Especially on the topic of privacy, meticulously courteous didn't work, people just lied to your face. So this is at least another tactic. Doesn't seem like much though.

Re: Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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This is important news, but I don't understand the insistence of some people to post political news to this website. Seriously, this has very little to do with tech. Post it to Reddit or Twitter. I do not come here to read about Trump.

HN is not a tech news site.

HN is pretty much the only place on the web where intelligent discussion takes place. That is why I hope for every news I am interested in to be discussed here.

Reddit discussions are complete garbage. The top comment on r/news for this article is this one line: "That's $750 more than I thought he paid.". It has over 19k likes.

Re: Trump’s Taxes Show Chronic Losses and Years of Income Tax Avoidance

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Specifically you’re supposed to flag anything not within the guidelines[1]: > On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon…

Thanks. I understand how you're reading this, but my observation is that actual practice on HN is less restrictive. On the front page at the moment I'm writing this, there are at least four more or less political articles: - Uber secures right to continue operating in London https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24614806 - Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores https://news.ycombina…

The problem (which I think you seem to be acknowledging) is that as I've pointed out in the original post, the lack of clarity seems to end up in a mysterious (arbitrary? biased?) view on what is ok to cover.

RBG: ok.

Trump Replacement for RBG: "political".

Trump Tax: ok.

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