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French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by jahaja »

rapsey wrote: post #34

> Studies have shown that paternity leave can set the tone for fathers’ long-term relationships with their children and families. Children whose fathers took at least two weeks of paternity leave reported feeling closer to their dads even nine years later, according to a joint study of sociology professors at Ball State University and Ohio State University, which also found that paternity leave is linked to lower div…

Not sure why you're mixing things up so much. In Sweden both parents get two weeks leave from the birth of the child which is separate from the parental leave. Then usually the father go backs to work and let the mother take the first few months of parental leave, and then the father takes a few months after that.

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Post by shakopeeant »

chromanoid wrote: post #193
rosege wrote: post #126

I love my dog probably more than some parents love their kids. Its too bad you can't get doggy leave if you don't have children.

Your dog won't pay taxes in the future. And there is also some "light" difference between reproduction and having a pet. For welcoming a dog or stuff like that there is minimum paid annual leave in developed countries.

The child probably won't pay taxes either. More than likely they will leech off the system.

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Post by bluesquared »

Here in "flyover country, USA" I was looked down upon for asking to use two weeks of my own PTO after my company's new 'generous' two week paid parental leave. That request was constantly pushed off until the week of my wife's induction, when it was formally declined. I was told the request was 'excessive' and that generally the woman needs more time to recover but the father doesn't need much time.

I guess our mental health during a global pandemic isn't really of any concern to the bottom line. I'm grateful that we have a healthy 4-month old baby, but this country has a long way to go to realizing that compassion can be profitable. Better parental rights, better funding for education and health - better take care of your workers and your future (children) and they will be able to take better care of you.

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Post by oblio »

growlist wrote: post #201
pi-rat wrote: post #156

28 days? That's barely enough to get your head off from work tbh. I just finished 133 days (at 80% pay) of paternity leave here in Norway, and the last part was def more rewarding than the start as you hit your new stride and regular work life grew ever more distant. All the organised toddler activities shut down because of covid19. Bought one of those child carrier backpacks, and we've been exploring forests and mou…

How lovely. Is this affordable anywhere other than a petrostate?

Romania, bang average country (GDP per capita almost equal to world average), not even classified as a high income economy and with a GDP per capita 1/6th of the US one is currently offering up to 18 months of maternity leave at 80% pay. There is a paternity leave, I forgot how long, I think it's at least a few weeks if not months.

If there's a will, there's a way.

Oh, our external debt is about 40% and our tax rates are largely comparable to Western ones. So far the only signs of collapse seem to be coming from Communist era buildings :-p

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Post by piva00 »

ulfen wrote: post #256
lnsru wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don’t spread this fake information. 65% is plain wrong! 1800€ is maximum. For tech workers it’s closer to 35%. One can go also up to 36 months of parental leave, but the rest of the time is unpaid.

Even if it is capped at 1800 € this is a lot of money for non tech workers. And as tech worker it should be easy to afford...

Only 25% of the working German population earns less than around 2300€, 1800€ is, at minimum, a 22% reduction in salary for 75+% of the workers. The median is about ~4100€, so more than half of a pay cut for 50% of the working population.

So yes, it's a good amount but still much less than the minimum 80% here in Sweden.

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Post by mrweasel »

rapsey wrote: post #34

> Studies have shown that paternity leave can set the tone for fathers’ long-term relationships with their children and families. Children whose fathers took at least two weeks of paternity leave reported feeling closer to their dads even nine years later, according to a joint study of sociology professors at Ball State University and Ohio State University, which also found that paternity leave is linked to lower div…

I think that depends entirely on you situation. I had two weeks leave, and three weeks of vacation right after, meaning I stayed home with my wife and daughter for the first five weeks.

For us that was barely enough, and based on our experience, fives weeks should be the absolute minimum period for the father to say home after birth.

So what if some father take the time to do projects around the house. At least they're still there to spend time with their child and the mother.

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Post by vortico »

mytailorisrich wrote: post #194
vortico wrote: post #180

I'm dumb and don't know anything about maternity/paternity leave. What prevents someone from being hired by a company, taking leave due to a child in X days, taking the salary the government forces the company to give you, and quitting Y days after you return? What if X and Y are a month or even one day? Could companies could be scammed for a year of salary while getting only a few days of value out of their employee…

Specifically in France: Paternity leave is not paid by employers but by social security. The person still needs to have worked (and thus paid into the system through salary contributions) above a certain threshold in order to qualify. Employers can top up this payment but can then impose conditions (e.g. only after a year in the company or whatever)

Oh, I see how it works then. It's funded through income tax from the employee's past work history. Thanks!

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Post by mschuster91 »

dx034 wrote: post #258
ulfen wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it is capped at 1800 € this is a lot of money for non tech workers. And as tech worker it should be easy to afford...

It's not just tech workers, pretty much any academic will hit that limit. And if you live in an expensive area, 1800 Euro can be a severe cap. With mortgages to pay, it can be unrealistic for the father to take more than the minimum of two months off.

> With mortgages to pay, it can be unrealistic for the father to take more than the minimum of two months off.

Fellow German here, I don't know of anyone in my friend circle rich enough to be able to put together the downpayment for a home...

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