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French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by timidiceball »

setr wrote: post #169
car wrote: post #22

Compare this to 480 days of shared and paid parental leave in Sweden at 80% salary. The fathers are looked at negatively if the don’t take some of this time. https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-maternity-leave-pater...

I dont understand how this could be a viable strategy -- unless your job is entirely useless, the business must replace your position during your absence in order to continue normal operation; even thirty days absence should disrupt things, if an alternative isn't found.. So then what exactly do you return to? It can't be your old position exactly -- you were replaced. So its more like a vague promise that the busine…

An under-reported pattern I see in larger Norwegian organizations:

- Someone leaves for 8 months of maternity leave

- Org hires a replacement with determined-end contract

- Org loves this new person

- New person also enjoyed their time in this position, made new contacts and learned new skills which they can leverage elsewhere

- Org also now knows who to contact immediately when there is another opening or new full-time position

A growing company or government office can absolutely benefit from the "overhead" of such extensive parental leave, it's just subtle.

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Post by rezic »

ido wrote: post #200
sdfqasdghj wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The OP won't have seen much of their child's first 3 months either. Their time with their child probably started when the child was 8 months old and lasted until the child was about 12 months old...

why do you assume that? With my second child I took 4 months of parental leave (2 of which simultaneously with my wife) & divided between ages 0-2 & 10-12 months old.

I can't speak for other countries, but both parents cannot take parental leave at the same time in Norway. Some choose to use vacation days while the other parent has parental leave, but it's a fair assumption to make that one of the parents were working while the other was on parental leave.

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Post by gspr »

growlist wrote: post #201
pi-rat wrote: post #156

28 days? That's barely enough to get your head off from work tbh. I just finished 133 days (at 80% pay) of paternity leave here in Norway, and the last part was def more rewarding than the start as you hit your new stride and regular work life grew ever more distant. All the organised toddler activities shut down because of covid19. Bought one of those child carrier backpacks, and we've been exploring forests and mou…

How lovely. Is this affordable anywhere other than a petrostate?

> How lovely. Is this affordable anywhere other than a petrostate?

Of course. Like so many other things, it's a matter of priorities.

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

growlist wrote: post #201
pi-rat wrote: post #156

28 days? That's barely enough to get your head off from work tbh. I just finished 133 days (at 80% pay) of paternity leave here in Norway, and the last part was def more rewarding than the start as you hit your new stride and regular work life grew ever more distant. All the organised toddler activities shut down because of covid19. Bought one of those child carrier backpacks, and we've been exploring forests and mou…

How lovely. Is this affordable anywhere other than a petrostate?

You only get born once. I think its right of the child, moreso than that of parents, to be looked after at birth. It does not happen that often that we should be talking about affordability.

On the other hand, can we afford mutinationals paying no taxes?

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Post by gspr »

rosege wrote: post #126

I love my dog probably more than some parents love their kids. Its too bad you can't get doggy leave if you don't have children.

> I love my dog probably more than some parents love their kids.

The need for parental leave is not based on the amount of love someone shows.

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Post by [deleted] »

timc3 wrote: post #100
souprock wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is enough time to have another kid. I have 12 so far. If I lived in Sweden, I wouldn't have to work. I could keep it going for decades. It's odd that Swedes aren't taking full advantage of the situation.

I am a Swede - there is no way that I want 12 kids. From both a personal point of view, and for the environmental reasons (though I get it if you are adopting).

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Post by boudin »

pi-rat wrote: post #156

28 days? That's barely enough to get your head off from work tbh. I just finished 133 days (at 80% pay) of paternity leave here in Norway, and the last part was def more rewarding than the start as you hit your new stride and regular work life grew ever more distant. All the organised toddler activities shut down because of covid19. Bought one of those child carrier backpacks, and we've been exploring forests and mou…

You can have more, with the "congé parental", which has different conditions though:

You need to have been in your current company at least a year

The duration changes based on the number of children you have. up to 1 year for 1 children, 2 years for 2, 5 years for 3 or more.

It can't be denied by the employer

Your contract is suspended, but the employer has to take you back with an equivalent contract once your back

The (big) downside is that you are paid a small allocation during this time. When you already have a really low salary it can be quite interesting, but when you have a higher salary it can be a big pay cut.

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Post by fsloth »

growlist wrote: post #201
pi-rat wrote: post #156

28 days? That's barely enough to get your head off from work tbh. I just finished 133 days (at 80% pay) of paternity leave here in Norway, and the last part was def more rewarding than the start as you hit your new stride and regular work life grew ever more distant. All the organised toddler activities shut down because of covid19. Bought one of those child carrier backpacks, and we've been exploring forests and mou…

How lovely. Is this affordable anywhere other than a petrostate?

Yes. It's more of a matter of culture and priorities than excessive expenses.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by [deleted] »

Thorrez wrote: post #149
MichaelGlass wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Florida Man informs Sweden and Germany that their societies are failing. In other news https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBqY-4oDWAQ&feature=youtu.be... But in all seriousness, Germany and Sweden (and the USA for that matter) all have sub-replacement fertility rates. I understand that you believe that people will reproduce like rabbits, especially if incentivized, but the data doesn't reflect that. In every system ther…

Does Sweden want more kids? If so, I don't think someone having 12 kids is really abusing the benefit, but rather providing Sweden with what it wants.

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Post by gspr »

lovasoa wrote: post #205
vortico wrote: post #180

I'm dumb and don't know anything about maternity/paternity leave. What prevents someone from being hired by a company, taking leave due to a child in X days, taking the salary the government forces the company to give you, and quitting Y days after you return? What if X and Y are a month or even one day? Could companies could be scammed for a year of salary while getting only a few days of value out of their employee…

Well, the scam doesn't scale well. You need to make a new child each time.

> Well, the scam doesn't scale well. You need to make a new child each time.

Indeed. I keep hearing that line of argument from Americans in particular: "But but but if healthcare is free, what will stop people from living an unhealthy life and having society pay the cost??" – eh, the fact that having cancer and heart problems in order to scam society is just a really really unattractive and unscaleable idea?

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