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French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by skrause »

imtringued wrote: post #113
buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before people think that this policy is all roses, a close friend of mine is the CEO of a multi billion dollar international business. They don’t hire anyone from France because the French government makes it so difficult to fire a bad hire. Maybe you could argue that the French are better off without them, but people love working for them and they have great pay and benefits. I’m sure there are a number of companies…

I don't know about French employment law but in Germany you can fire anyone for any reason. The only difference is that the contract doesn't expire on the day you fired that person. Instead it will expire in a few weeks (its a bit more complicated but not by much). If you fire the employee during probation (first 6 months) then the employment contract will expire immediately. If you can provide a good reason with pro…

> I don't know about French employment law but in Germany you can fire anyone for any reason.

You don't seem to know about German employment law either because that's simply wrong. Basically in every company with more than 10 employees you can't fire anyone who has been with the company for more than 6 months, except for very few specific reasons which are listed here: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCndigung_(deutsches_Arbe...

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by mcntsh »

rosege wrote: post #126

I love my dog probably more than some parents love their kids. Its too bad you can't get doggy leave if you don't have children.

I think you're missing the point of parental leave. Parent's raising a newborn often don't even have the time to take care of themselves because it's so much work to care for the baby.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by vmception »

souprock wrote: post #29
car wrote: post #22

Compare this to 480 days of shared and paid parental leave in Sweden at 80% salary. The fathers are looked at negatively if the don’t take some of this time. https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-maternity-leave-pater...

That is enough time to have another kid. I have 12 so far. If I lived in Sweden, I wouldn't have to work. I could keep it going for decades. It's odd that Swedes aren't taking full advantage of the situation.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest that people want to be sexually active and don't want children until they have an existential crisis and many existing people are unplanned happenstances.

Educated people don't have enough children to replace themselves, and its not because they are too busy.

Give people the choice and most choose to do things preventing children until they have existential crisis. Remove the choice and people are have children at twice the rate, pretty much coinciding with when they become sexually active.

It's not that hard to understand or perceive.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by username90 »

st1x7 wrote: post #104
tjs8rj wrote: post #53

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Well I don't want 12 kids, but my mindset changes if enough kids means early retirement ;)

Even if we're being that cynical - taking on much more work than you can handle and increasing your expenses multiple multiple times for the next 20 years - that's not retirement.

Sweden also pays you per kid. At 11 kids you'd get about $24k a year since it scales up. As long as you live in a cheap area you don't have to spend that much money on the kids, since you don't pay for education or healthcare or daycare. Also since you are on parental leave you still get that money.

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Post by baq »

imtringued wrote: post #90
pmiller2 wrote: post #31

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I’d say it’s probably more like there aren’t many Swedes who could deal with a house with 12 kids. The after school logistics alone must be a nightmare. Either that, or there’s something plugging the loophole the GP mentions.

What about the difficulty of having 12 pregnancies? You'd have to set aside 12 years in the first place. A woman in such a family isn't planning on working.

they might not have the same mother, though it is possible if you start early enough - but the health risk is terrifyingly large.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

tjs8rj wrote: post #53
garbagetime wrote: post #35

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Most swedes don't want so many kids.

Well I don't want 12 kids, but my mindset changes if enough kids means early retirement ;)

But it doesn't matter. I don't care if someone decides they want 12 kids, even if it is to avoid work. As long as those 12 kids are taken care of - and it isn't causing the women health issues at all - I'm not concerned, though I hope that at least some of those 12 are adoptions or foster children.

Some people really like to raise children, multiples.

But lets not forget that children are work. More children, more work. The thought that you are 'retiring' and relaxing just isn't so: for 14+ years, you always have a diaper to change, you always need to keep a childproof house, you always need to toilet train someone. For some years, you always have a preteen to watch over. Someone just going off to college. Etc.

But again, this isn't the norm. Even large families rarely have so many children. The amount of folks that try to have 12 children is such a small portion that it isn't worth worrying about and honestly, just parrots right-wing fears that folks are having children to get money from the government.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by baq »

rapsey wrote: post #72
gnicholas wrote: post #33

Paternity leave can be a great thing for father/child bonding, and for equalizing opportunity for women (who face greater social/practical pressure to take their leave), who can fall behind male colleagues by taking their leave. Unfortunately, it's hard to force men to take their leave, and in the US a lot of men don't because it is frowned upon socially in many companies. One possible way to incentivize men to take…

It may not be politically correct. But the vast majority of women prefer prioritizing their children over their careers. The vast majority of men prefer being the provider for their families. > Unfortunately, it's hard to force men to take their leave How about we don't force people into things.

if you're free to choose, you might be pressured to exercise the freedom not take the leave under threat of e.g. being made redundant. sometimes not being able to choose is all-in-all better for everyone, and that's disregarding the cost of making a decision.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by rimliu »

gnicholas wrote: post #79
rapsey wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the father is working that does not mean he is absent for the entire day and unavailable to help at all. > shop for groceries, prepare food Can be done at any time of the day (you know prepare and reheat later) and by any of the parents. Even if one of them is absent for 8 hours.

This is hilariously out of touch. Shopping for groceries with an infant (or an infant + toddler) is a challenge for a single parent. It is absurd to say that you can shop for groceries at any time of day — you have to go when the kids are not napping (ever have two kids on different nap schedules?) or nursing, and then you have to manage getting them into and out of car seats, shopping carts, etc. Your comments strik…

Why would you need to shop for groceries any time? If mother stays with a kid father can do all the shopping on the way home from the work. What's som complicated about that? Also, in my country home delivery services are very popular with moms. You can indeed do grocery shopping any time. Now, during pandemic, those services are popular with everyone, of course.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by m0zg »

souprock wrote: post #29
car wrote: post #22

Compare this to 480 days of shared and paid parental leave in Sweden at 80% salary. The fathers are looked at negatively if the don’t take some of this time. https://www.businessinsider.com/sweden-maternity-leave-pater...

That is enough time to have another kid. I have 12 so far. If I lived in Sweden, I wouldn't have to work. I could keep it going for decades. It's odd that Swedes aren't taking full advantage of the situation.

Dunno man, raising kids is hard work. Although I heard incremental difficulty of raising more than 2 is sub-linear.
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