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French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by sveme »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #26
straw11 wrote: post #7

Meanwhile in Germany people get 14months paid leave. Where neither parent can take more than 12.

Before people think that this policy is all roses, a close friend of mine is the CEO of a multi billion dollar international business. They don’t hire anyone from France because the French government makes it so difficult to fire a bad hire. Maybe you could argue that the French are better off without them, but people love working for them and they have great pay and benefits. I’m sure there are a number of companies…

People aren‘t paid by companies during parental leave, so I call bullshit here. And hiring laws aren‘t determined by the employee‘s nationality.

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Post by taxationisth3ft »

There should be no paternity leave at all, because paternity leave means that the other single guy with no family have to work more for free to compensate your "vacation". Democracy is tyranny of the majority where the largest part of population make laws in a way to benefit themselves and make the others tax-slaves.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by car »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #26
straw11 wrote: post #7

Meanwhile in Germany people get 14months paid leave. Where neither parent can take more than 12.

Before people think that this policy is all roses, a close friend of mine is the CEO of a multi billion dollar international business. They don’t hire anyone from France because the French government makes it so difficult to fire a bad hire. Maybe you could argue that the French are better off without them, but people love working for them and they have great pay and benefits. I’m sure there are a number of companies…

CEO of a multi billion dollar international business

Companies simply can’t always pay people to not work for 6 months to a year, so they’ll go somewhere where they don’t have to.

Why ‘simply can’t’ a ‘multi billion dollar international business’ offer paid parental leave, if so required by law? This does not make any sense, large international corporations will do business wherever they can profitably.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by peteretep »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #15
dleslie wrote: post #4

It really irked me that here in Canada the options were generally skewed towards mothers remaining home. You can split 40 weeks of parental leave, but many employers won't provide parental benefits and those that do often only provide parental benefits to mothers. For instance, my employer at the time provided wage top-up for women on leave but nothing for men. Just one of _many_ structually sexist policies in societ…

A good start would be outlawing negative scoring of candidates due to gaps.

I’ve been involved in many recruitment processes. Companies are far more scared of you having done lots of short jobs than of having taken gaps, especially if the gaps are easily explained away as “time spent caring for family” or “self-directed study”

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #26
straw11 wrote: post #7

Meanwhile in Germany people get 14months paid leave. Where neither parent can take more than 12.

Before people think that this policy is all roses, a close friend of mine is the CEO of a multi billion dollar international business. They don’t hire anyone from France because the French government makes it so difficult to fire a bad hire. Maybe you could argue that the French are better off without them, but people love working for them and they have great pay and benefits. I’m sure there are a number of companies…

In countries where the government pays the leave it’s not a big deal. In these countries we just planned for higher headcount. Usually not a problem for software dev because non-US salaries are so much lower in the first place.

In countries where employers are on the hook for some or all of the cost, we just factored it in to the employee costs. Again, because software engineers were paid so much less in those countries it wasn’t a dealbreaker.

At least in the software field, the US salaries are so much higher that the overhead is not a big deal in European countries.

We had a lot of young people who wanted to relocate to US offices when they discovered the salary differences, though.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by rayiner »

I support long paid family leaves, but I find this framing odd:

> The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) grants some mothers and fathers the ability to take 12 weeks unpaid leave and return to a protected job, depending on the size and type of the company. But the law leaves many parents at the mercy of the state in which they live (only three, California, New Jersey, and Rhode Island, grant paid leave) or their employers’ individual plans.

Why shouldn’t different states have different leave policies. It’s no weirder for different states to have different leave policies than for Germany to have a different leave policy than France.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by [deleted] »

dragonwriter wrote: post #16
jeromegv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well we can’t do anything about employers, that’s why relying on employers as a social net is ridiculous (what’s the % of people that have parental benefits from their employers? Surely a minority) This needs to be managed through the government. Quebec has done a good job at it. And yes, it can be used by either the father or the mother without any problem.

> Well we can’t do anything about employers You can, indeed, mandate equal practices by employers and enforce that requirement.

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Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

dragonwriter wrote: post #16
jeromegv wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well we can’t do anything about employers, that’s why relying on employers as a social net is ridiculous (what’s the % of people that have parental benefits from their employers? Surely a minority) This needs to be managed through the government. Quebec has done a good job at it. And yes, it can be used by either the father or the mother without any problem.

> Well we can’t do anything about employers You can, indeed, mandate equal practices by employers and enforce that requirement.

The problem is smaller employers, which simply can't afford to shoulder the burden of paid maternity leave for 1 of their 10 employees. You can set up a graduated system like the UK has, where all employers have to pay and can reclaim a variable amount. But one way or another, any benefit the government won't foot the bill for is a benefit many parents won't get.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

rapsey wrote: post #34

> Studies have shown that paternity leave can set the tone for fathers’ long-term relationships with their children and families. Children whose fathers took at least two weeks of paternity leave reported feeling closer to their dads even nine years later, according to a joint study of sociology professors at Ball State University and Ohio State University, which also found that paternity leave is linked to lower div…

It’s a totally different story with 2 or more children.

Your toddler won’t be quite as accommodating to the schedule of a newborn. Having two parents at home makes it much easier to manage a newborn, erratic sleep schedules, and other children.

Re: French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

bluedevil2k wrote: post #17
markdown wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only solution is to essentially force fathers to stop working as well during this time That isn't the only solution, but it's one that could work and would make the world a better place.

Why would it possibly make the world a better place if fathers were forced to not work?! Forcing someone to stop working would likely piss a lot of people off, and would generally hurt the companies these fathers work for.

Mandating 40 weeks off strikes me as excessive, but I think there are reasonable arguments for mandating 2 weeks or a month - it's hardly an unprecedented imposition. Forcing people to not work is a common strategy for addressing systemic issues. For example, many bankers are required to take a contiguous 2 week vacation at least once a year as an anti-fraud measure.
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