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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by dragonwriter »

ikerdanzel wrote: post #12
Barrin92 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

that'd probably kill every American social media app on the app stores as well, not sure they're ready to do that.

Nope. Only specific instances. And in this case POTUS has the power when it comes to foreign entities. It is enshrined in the constitutions. By the way, India and China are even doing this without even a single judicial recourse. USA simply is the best country that has been setup to allow and disallow this kind of things some hundreds years ago.

> And in this case POTUS has the power when it comes to foreign entities. It is enshrined in the constitutions.

No, it's not. The power the President is asserting might be authorized under statute, though that's actually one of the questions in dispute.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by bduerst »

revnode wrote: post #62
zmmmmm wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue Are you uncomfortable adopting that belief with literally no concrete evidence that anything of the sort is actually occurring? I don't know how you reconcile rule of law with such drastic interventions in the rights of companies without evidence of wrongdoing. If anything you can come up with in your most paranoid fantasies can be the basis of shutting down a…

> shutting down a company It's not a company. It's a division of a foreign government. That was the point being made. If it was an independent company, none of this would be happening.

Bytedance is not owned by the Chinese government. It's an independent company, as is TikTok.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by xvector »

mtrpcic wrote: post #58
UncleMeat wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What makes TikTok different than literally any other website in this manner?

...being controlled by the CCP is what makes it different. All of these sites/apps have the ability to shove propaganda in the faces of millions of people, only one of them is run by a government.

> only one of them is run by a government.

And the rest are run by the ultra-rich. They care about the interests of the Americans not much more than the CCP.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by llboston »

localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

All major internet companies in China, including ByteDance, have CCP branches [1]. CCP would be crazy not to use TikTok data.

1 https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2020/8/5/bytedance-hea...

[edit] added source.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by [deleted] »

rtx wrote: post #134
arcticbull wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody's saying the Americans can't do it. What I'm saying is it's largely hypocritical -- telling China they need to open up their markets to foreign businesses from America just the way Americans do for foreign entities, and then once a Chinese company becomes successful enough to garner the slightest bit of attention forcing a sale to an American company. It's exactly the thing America has been accusing China of d…

>open for business With those who are open for business.

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by xvector »

ekianjo wrote: post #124
schoolornot wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exactly is the national security risk with TikTok?

What exactly is the risk of a single channel of information controlled by one of the worst governments on Earth, massively used by younger people who are in the age of voting? Are you sure you need an explanation?

> a single channel of information

You mean one channel out of hundreds?

> controlled by one of the worst governments on Earth,

As opposed to our current channels of information, that are controlled by billionaires that also couldn’t care less about Americans?

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by arcticbull »

rtx wrote: post #134
arcticbull wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody's saying the Americans can't do it. What I'm saying is it's largely hypocritical -- telling China they need to open up their markets to foreign businesses from America just the way Americans do for foreign entities, and then once a Chinese company becomes successful enough to garner the slightest bit of attention forcing a sale to an American company. It's exactly the thing America has been accusing China of d…

>open for business With those who are open for business.

That's not really a compelling counterargument. The idea is that goods and services brought to market in the US are materially improving the lives of Americans. It doesn't matter really what the home state looks like. If it did, Americans would have never started importing Saudi oil. Or Rwandan tantalum for capacitors. Or Nestle chocolate, which is farmed by child slaves in the Ivory Coast. But don't worry, in 2019, they again, for about the 10th time, promised to stop using child slaves. [1]

This is basically America telling the world to accept American companies, no questions asked, no matter how big or manipulative. Criticizing other countries for their protectionist self-serving practices. And then literally the second a foreign product gets big and interesting enough forcing their sale to a US domestic entity. This is what America is complaining China does.

The worst part? Instead of trying to find some basis in law as one does in a rule-of-law jurisdiction, they just pulled out the national security™ ban-hammer, which cannot be challenged in a meaningful way. That's straight out of China's playbook. If rule of law is the china shop, national security justifications are the bull.

They just ceded the entirety of what was left of the high ground.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/business/hershe...

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by kevindong »

LurkersWillLurk wrote: post #4

We need to push back on this nonsense in journalism in which journalists don't include a link to the opinion when writing an article describing that opinion. There is not enough information included in the article to meaningfully comment on the situation. Edit: here is the order, which is very short: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.222257/... The opinion is under seal, and the parties have been d…

Ars Technica is generally pretty good about linking to the actual rulings. For this particular matter, they summarized the ruling but didn't link to it unfortunately [0].

[0]: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/09/judge-will-rule-...

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by Drew_ »

soared wrote: post #105
IfOnlyYouKnew wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"but it is fairly clear how this is a potentially serious threat to national security." Yeah... the Chinese could, like, get the inside scoop on some serious teen drama.

They decide what content is viewed by millions of teens who will be voting in a few years. It’s not that far fetched to show them more violent content / mildly biased content / etc in order to move their political views a bit.

The KGB already did this in 2016 and the White House conveniently doesn't care and actually vehemently denies anything happened. Now, in the lead up to an election, suddenly they care about foreign intervention of elections? Or is it more likely that Donald Trump is just trying to tally as many "wins" as possible in the lead up an election like any politician would? The CCP already compromised our technology supply chain not even 2 years ago [1] did the White House do anything then?

[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-10-04/the-big-h...

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by bduerst »

llboston wrote: post #144
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

All major internet companies in China, including ByteDance, have CCP branches [1]. CCP would be crazy not to use TikTok data. 1 https://www.jenniferzengblog.com/home/2020/8/5/bytedance-hea... [edit] added source.

*Subsidiaries.

Bytedance has TaoTiao inside China, which shares TaoTaio user information with the CCP, the same way that Apple has Apple Guizhou, which shares iCloud data with the CCP.

Neither Bytedance, or it's TikTok subsidiary, exist inside China, so there's no reason to suspect data sharing with the CCP without evidence.

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