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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Rather than blocking a single app, they should bring in GDPR style laws that make apps like tiktok banned by default unless they change to be strongly privacy protecting.

I think that's the best thing to do for the general public.

Most social media already obey GDPR for European users (I suspect TikTok included), so having this law in the US will benefit every user everywhere by forcing companies to treat everyone uniformly with a higher level of protection by default due to the majority of their userbase being covered by such laws.

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#12
post #3

Rather than blocking a single app, they should bring in GDPR style laws that make apps like tiktok banned by default unless they change to be strongly privacy protecting.

that'd probably kill every American social media app on the app stores as well, not sure they're ready to do that.

Nope. Only specific instances. And in this case POTUS has the power when it comes to foreign entities. It is enshrined in the constitutions. By the way, India and China are even doing this without even a single judicial recourse. USA simply is the best country that has been setup to allow and disallow this kind of things some hundreds years ago.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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post #9

Nice to know that Apple was given equal legal consideration in China in 2016 when its iBooks store and iTunes movie store were suddenly ordered shut after six months of operation. Oh, wait. . . they weren't given any legal recourse at all and the Obama administration did nothing about it while Silicon Valley grandees kept conspicuously silent. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/technology/apple-no-longe...

I don't see how those are analogous. Shouldn't you be complaining that a Chinese court didn't temporarily block the Apple ban?

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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post #9

Nice to know that Apple was given equal legal consideration in China in 2016 when its iBooks store and iTunes movie store were suddenly ordered shut after six months of operation. Oh, wait. . . they weren't given any legal recourse at all and the Obama administration did nothing about it while Silicon Valley grandees kept conspicuously silent. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/technology/apple-no-longe...

So the correct course of action, in your opinion, is to move towards a China-style legal system? If not, then what's your point?

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#15

We need to push back on this nonsense in journalism in which journalists don't include a link to the opinion when writing an article describing that opinion. There is not enough information included in the article to meaningfully comment on the situation. Edit: here is the order, which is very short: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.222257/... The opinion is under seal, and the parties have been d…

I think the judge said the opinion is temporarily under seal for some reason.

The Verge backed it up in their article. It’s unclear who’s in the (virtual?) courtroom or how they sourced this info, but it kind of makes sense. Courts aren’t well-known for publishing courtroom activities in real-time and online (Zoom) trials that result in the death penalty are getting extra attention even as other cases (Assange) apparently suffered from a lack of press coverage or public attendance. Hard to say what the right answer is here, but I agree that a small (as short as necessary) press release from a courtroom website would be appreciated for any decision. In this case though, it’s hard to say a decision either way isn’t political, seems to me that would be why it’s still under seal?

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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post #3

Rather than blocking a single app, they should bring in GDPR style laws that make apps like tiktok banned by default unless they change to be strongly privacy protecting.

that'd probably kill every American social media app on the app stores as well, not sure they're ready to do that.

Yes!

Shut em all down !

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook–Cambridge_Analytica...

https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2019/09/ftc-s...

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/04/03/599069424...

If you can't give a shit about the security of your user's personal information / safety , you shouldn't exist.

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#17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That doesn't generally align with America's approach to these sort of things. A law like that would have made the internet itself very hard to develop.

No, it would have made targeted advertising on the internet be very hard to develop. The internet existed before targeted advertising, with site-specific advertising based on the interests of a site. Stalking users across sites for the purpose of targeted advertising is a much newer development. I agree that this doesn't align with the US's general approach to this sort of thing. That is a fault with the US's general…

Targeted advertising is a major reason for the Internet’s success. It has allowed many companies to become extremely wealthy and invest back into the ecosystem.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

#18

We need to push back on this nonsense in journalism in which journalists don't include a link to the opinion when writing an article describing that opinion. There is not enough information included in the article to meaningfully comment on the situation. Edit: here is the order, which is very short: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.222257/... The opinion is under seal, and the parties have been d…

Ditto for scientific papers. I want the DOI and/or a link to the original (ideally open access!) paper which the article has been written about.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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post #9

Nice to know that Apple was given equal legal consideration in China in 2016 when its iBooks store and iTunes movie store were suddenly ordered shut after six months of operation. Oh, wait. . . they weren't given any legal recourse at all and the Obama administration did nothing about it while Silicon Valley grandees kept conspicuously silent. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/technology/apple-no-longe...

Are you… upset that the US is doing, in your mind, the right thing? Like if you just want to vent about the Chinese government then rock on but I kinda doubt you want the US government to start taking pages out of the CCP’s playbook.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

#20
Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western Internet, so they have an advantage by default.

This position is covered much more eloquently than I put it above in Ben Thompson's "The TikTok War" [1].

[1] https://stratechery.com/2020/the-tiktok-war/

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