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Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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Flip the system and make the classwork homework and the homework classwork. Instead of a lecturer being the 5000th person trying to teach the subject with a varying degrees of preparedness, you just get the single best and most enthusiastic lecture of all time, everytime, as a video. Then in class teachers, TAs, and students can have normal humans conversations with each other to work through problems and peer intera…

It's called the Khan Academy.

Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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> they only look like a bubble because we’ve learned to treat education as a market-driven commodity rather than a social good how can you not treat it as a market-driven commodity when a 4 year college degree can cost $120K ?

In the U.S. That is not the case in every country in the world (many have free college education) so it's not an inherent property of higher ed to be "marked-driven commodity". Therefore it's valid to criticize the U.S. implementation for being that given that it doesn't have to be.

Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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Again, a massive generalization that you quite frankly don't have a bit of data to support.

I'm a college student. I make my claims based on experience. Do you disagree with my claim? It may be a generalization, but by no means an overgeneralization.

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Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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I've seen very, very few people able to learn calculus outside of a school system. Most will just go to elaborate lengths to avoid using calculus and justify why they don't need to learn it.

Fair enough. What examples did you have in mind of people trying to avoid the use of calculus (where it would be the best solution)?

I was one of those types who had a lot of problems with math in primary school because the style of "here are 150 problems for your homework tonight, just like every other night" didn't work with my learning style at all. It took me a long time to overcome this, and while I can't really give an example of this with calculus, I've run into this with other similarly "advanced" mathematical branches such as combinatorics, which comes up in all sorts of CS contexts dealing with trees or similar data structures.

Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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I agree that the cost of a college education is increasing, perhaps disproportionately, because demand is so high. However, I would not call higher education a bubble: as an undergrad, I have found that my education does not lack rigor or intensity. I have learned an incredible amount in a very short time, and for me, the personal value of a college education (disregarding the value perceived by society) far exceeds the cost. (I'm studying at MIT, so perhaps my college experience is different from the norm.)

Many people at MIT drop out to start companies or work at startups. I don't know how common this is at other schools, but at MIT, "so-and-so dropped out to work full-time at his startup" is not an unusual thing to hear. It seems to me that students value their degrees less than society does.

Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

#46

Flip the system and make the classwork homework and the homework classwork. Instead of a lecturer being the 5000th person trying to teach the subject with a varying degrees of preparedness, you just get the single best and most enthusiastic lecture of all time, everytime, as a video. Then in class teachers, TAs, and students can have normal humans conversations with each other to work through problems and peer intera…

It's called the Khan Academy.

Khan Academy is definitely a good step in the right direction but still lacks the one on one interaction with a knowledgeable mentor some students need in order to ask varying questions and receive the personal answers suited to their rationalizations. I think a great next step for Khan Academy would be to try to create partnerships with willing schools and universities to accommodate their current learning material and structure.

Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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On the subject of evidence for "failing to educate": there is statistical evidence (with a decent sample size and population) that a large percentage of students (36-ish) do not show improvement on the CLA (http://www.collegiatelearningassessment.org/) after four years of college, a test meant to measure the sorts of higher-order literacy skills that almost everyone agrees college students should learn.

Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've seen very, very few people able to learn calculus outside of a school system. Most will just go to elaborate lengths to avoid using calculus and justify why they don't need to learn it.

Fair enough. What examples did you have in mind of people trying to avoid the use of calculus (where it would be the best solution)?

I don't know that people are avoiding the use of calculus where it's appropriate. Rather, they believe that they will never encounter a situation where calculus is the appropriate tool and thus claim that they don't need to learn it.

It's a shame, because understanding differentiation and integration has had a tremendous impact on the way I think. It literally was a gamechanger for me, and it's worth it even though I only use it in thought exercises now.

Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

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What is it about this subject that encourages such hyperbole and overgeneralization? For what it's worth, I looked it up (thanks linkedin) and the author of this piece spent four years at some place called Linfield College in McMinville, Oregon, getting a BA in History, Philosophy, French and German. It's possible that her personal experiences may not generalize.

Are you attempting to attack her credibility or can you address her point?

Steve Jobs never graduated college. I would still take his opinion on education. This is an argument that can be logically debated without having to go to credentials.

Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory. -- Leonardo da Vinci

Re: Peter Thiel Is Wrong About Higher Education (It’s Worse Than A Bubble)

#50
Can we please stop abusing the term "bubble" in the context of higher education? Not every economic adjustment is the result of a bubble. When Blockbuster filed for bankruptcy, it wasn't because there was a bubble in the DVD market. If higher education is overpriced, people will stop buying. When they do, none of the people who did buy in will be any worse off than they were before. It's a completely different situation than the mortgage crisis, where the bursting of the bubble put everyone in a worse economic position.
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