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Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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Re: Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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Very interesting, didn't expect it to be that high. Another thing I came across recently : The fashion industry is responsible for 10 % of annual global carbon emissions. Source : https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2019/09/23/costo-m...

So the biggest polluters are food, clothing and shelter - I'm seeing a pattern here...

Transportation and heating are in there as well

Re: Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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I was looking for brick pavers recently and was having quite a time locating actual bricks instead of cement pavers colored badly and textured worse to look vaguely like bricks to nobody sober during daylight hours. I can only assume their target audience is a drunken man, at night, in a rainstorm.

I have to wonder why we are still looking for new ways to employ Portland cement at this point, over alternatives. You can, I’m told, reduce the footprint of clinker a bit with fly ash, but you get that mostly from coal, so it’s splitting the “savings” with an equally problematic cousin, and at any rate that supply should be in steady decline now, although I guess we discovered the Tennessee Valley Authority has stockpiles of the stuff when they lost one of them a decade or two ago.

Re: Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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Very interesting, didn't expect it to be that high. Another thing I came across recently : The fashion industry is responsible for 10 % of annual global carbon emissions. Source : https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2019/09/23/costo-m...

That was my biggest take away from the Biosphere documentary, as it was the concrete used in it's construction that eventually led to the abundance of CO2 and lack of O2 in that closed system. We'll clearly have to use something else for building moon bases.

The good news is that there's very little calcium carbonate on the moon, so you'll have to build it out of something else. Probably thermally fused silicates.

Re: Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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I don't have the answer, but I can imagine this is hard to compile because so many things emit CO2 all over their supply chain. So the question becomes, when do you consider something the 'final' product in the line. If it's cement, you presumably can't count 'construction' as it would be double-counted. Do you count an iPhone just during production? Or do you include shipping? If you include shipping, you can't have…

Why would it be hard to compile? Costs over supply chains are calculated all the time. And we don't have to look at IPhones, we just have to look at the subset of processes that emit non-neglible amounts of CO2 regardless of if they are the final product or not.

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Re: Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have the answer, but I can imagine this is hard to compile because so many things emit CO2 all over their supply chain. So the question becomes, when do you consider something the 'final' product in the line. If it's cement, you presumably can't count 'construction' as it would be double-counted. Do you count an iPhone just during production? Or do you include shipping? If you include shipping, you can't have…

I would argue cargo ships don’t need their own category in that case since they don’t exist for any other reason than to be part of the supply chain or other goods. All cargo ship pollution can be attributed to the cargo they’re transporting.

There was an interesting pilot performed by SEI (Stockholm Environmental Institute) and UCL, using shipping data from Brazil, that tried to attribute shipping emissions to commodity type [0]

0: https://www.sei.org/publications/shipping-emissions-per-comm...

Re: Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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this is a much more depressing number. steel and cement are necessary to the development of all nations, designer clothes are not.

Garments that are high quality are designed to last and be worn for a long time. High end selvedge jeans might run a couple hundred bucks, but they will last a decade. I suspect cheap, disposable clothing is driving much more emissions.

Low end selvedge denim lasts longer than a decade and even low quality denim lasts. You don't wear stuff out of fashion though, it would be like wearing the best of the 90s. You're also assuming that the clothes get worn. The cheaper stuff may just be worn as much as the high quality stuff or that they continue to be used.

Re: Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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Very interesting, didn't expect it to be that high. Another thing I came across recently : The fashion industry is responsible for 10 % of annual global carbon emissions. Source : https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2019/09/23/costo-m...

Doesn't matter. The rags companies get clothing and Africa imports tons of clothing for free. The clothes aren't all just made and discarded, they often have a second life.

Re: Cement is the source of 8% of the world's CO2 emissions (2018)

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I’ve been touting this fact for years. 90% of landfill debris is from demolition. We need more renovation instead of new construction.

"About 13 percent of the solid waste in Missouri landfills is demolition waste."

From page 128 of https://dnr.mo.gov/env/swmp/docs/wcs98constructionwaste.pdf

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