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Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#271

It's sad how these valuable optimizations are unknown to the average person. When I hear "the browser" discussed in almost any parlance, the implication is Chrome. It's rare to even hear someone say "Chrome," as it's the defacto choice for the non-mobile web. Convenience breeds ignorance.

The speed of someone's browsing is less of a factor of what browser you use and largely a factor of what websites they browse. The web browser is a commodity for most people.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#272

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They can. Maybe releases would be every 6 months but it's possible. Look at the following browsers: Otter Browser Min Qutebrowser Links Basalisk Surf Bromite (only has 7 contributers) It is possible. Of course it's possible. Just depends if that situation were ever to occur, whether people would become passionate about that project

Otter and qutebrowser are based on QtWebEngine which is a wrapper around Blink (Chromium's engine), Min is using Electron which is also a wrapper around Blink, surf uses WebKitGTK which is a wrapper around WebKit (Safari's engine) and Bromite actually says is a Chromium's fork. The contributors for those browsers have to only maintain the GUI which is just the tip of the iceberg. As for Links, it cannot render most o…

thanks for that info

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Firefox does... and I can't turn it off. The websites, especially news sites, completely and utterly override the "off" settings for autoplay in firefox. And the dev team keeps changing the way those options are named as well as confusingly having a bunch of similarly named options. I'm confident that they're doing it on purpose because autoplay off hurts ad serving and it also probably pisses off traditional media s…

Firefox currently autoplays video that has no audio. This is a delicate balance. If browsers disable autoplay by default, then advertisers will find other ways to push video ads in users' faces. I read an anecdote that Google tried disabling autoplay on mobile and advertisers started playing video ads using an H.264 video decoder in JavaScript that paints video frames to a canvas. So users still see the video ad, but…

Can we crowdsource home addresses of advertisers who do this, and mail them shit daily until they stop? "People will be absolute dicks if we make the user experience better" is not a good argument for making the user experience worse. If the fuckers keep escalating the badness, more people will use adblockers. And if adblockers are not enough, then it's time to start mailing them shit I guess, and escalating from there.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#274

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It's actually where you expected it to be; under the privacy options. Preferences > Privacy > Autoplay Settings... > set "Block Audio" to "Block Audio and Video" Or alternatively about:config > media.autoplay.default > 5

That.Option.Does.Not.Work. I'm trying to scream it from the rooftops, but apparently I am not getting through. Go to CNN, Bloomberg, food recipe sites, medical sites, etc. Autoplay is Not Off. Windows 10 and Android, the very latest public releases. You open a page. A big box at the top has something it it. That something is video. The video loads. By the time you scroll down, it starts to play. Oh, and it jumps into…

Just tried opening a CNN (video on top), Bloomberg (video on top) and Epicurious (video on right) page on a fresh profile (using FF 80.0 on Linux) and modifying this option from the Preferences menu. Thus for: "Allow Audio and Video" video autoplays and audio is sound, "Block Audio" video starts playing and no audio is sound (audio is muted), "Block Audio and Video" video doesn't autoplay. So either a bug on Windows or you haven't modified that option or you've modified something that clashes with that option.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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I was thinking new stuff was done in Rust. I guess Gecko is CPP only?

Not true majority by far is done in c++. Easily confirmed by downloading the browser source and using a LOC analyzer to see how much code is done in which languages

Yeah, not interested enough to do that.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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That.Option.Does.Not.Work. I'm trying to scream it from the rooftops, but apparently I am not getting through. Go to CNN, Bloomberg, food recipe sites, medical sites, etc. Autoplay is Not Off. Windows 10 and Android, the very latest public releases. You open a page. A big box at the top has something it it. That something is video. The video loads. By the time you scroll down, it starts to play. Oh, and it jumps into…

Just tried opening a CNN (video on top), Bloomberg (video on top) and Epicurious (video on right) page on a fresh profile (using FF 80.0 on Linux) and modifying this option from the Preferences menu. Thus for: "Allow Audio and Video" video autoplays and audio is sound, "Block Audio" video starts playing and no audio is sound (audio is muted), "Block Audio and Video" video doesn't autoplay. So either a bug on Windows…

I use uBlock Origin and Privacy Badger plugins. This is Windows and Android.

I'll try disabling those.

But did you try scrolling the page? Sometimes those videos start playing when you scroll down and they become smaller and jump to the bottom right hand corner of the window.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#277

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Firefox currently autoplays video that has no audio. This is a delicate balance. If browsers disable autoplay by default, then advertisers will find other ways to push video ads in users' faces. I read an anecdote that Google tried disabling autoplay on mobile and advertisers started playing video ads using an H.264 video decoder in JavaScript that paints video frames to a canvas. So users still see the video ad, but…

Can we crowdsource home addresses of advertisers who do this, and mail them shit daily until they stop? "People will be absolute dicks if we make the user experience better" is not a good argument for making the user experience worse. If the fuckers keep escalating the badness, more people will use adblockers. And if adblockers are not enough, then it's time to start mailing them shit I guess, and escalating from the…

Or using a browser where it's unambiguously blockable. A lot of people I know care less than I do about that sort of thing. That should be enough eyeballs for ad revenue, leaving people like us unmolested by that antisocial advertising behaving.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#278

It's sad how these valuable optimizations are unknown to the average person. When I hear "the browser" discussed in almost any parlance, the implication is Chrome. It's rare to even hear someone say "Chrome," as it's the defacto choice for the non-mobile web. Convenience breeds ignorance.

Or Mozilla’s leadership was distracted by a bunch of meaningless distractions instead of focusing on unsexy things like this and lost out to a competitor. It wasn’t the users that lost interest in Firefox. It was Mozilla that lost interest in Firefox.

> distracted by a bunch of meaningless distractions

I often find that the specific things that are thought of as 'meaningless distractions' by different people don't entirely overlap.

For example, I think having a mobile OS not controlled by google or apple would be phenomenally important, so I was entirely in favour of FirefoxOS.

Rust has led to improvements in Firefox that were previously said to be nearly intractable. I'd definitely include that as something valuable, not just for firefox but for the world.

Mozilla Persona seemed like a really good way to solve something that we're still struggling with - to have a universal web identity that belongs to me rather than some surveillance monetiser.

I could see value in emscripten, Firefox sync, Rhino, Shumway, thunderbird.

Now that is already a selection of projects that includes a bunch that were widely considered to be failures and were killed. It's also already probably too much for a company of Mozilla's size.

The projects that we see mozilla doing at the moment, I sort of get - they're trying to pitch the brand as a 'privacy' play, but if they really want to do that plausibly, they're going to need to change their income model.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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That.Option.Does.Not.Work. I'm trying to scream it from the rooftops, but apparently I am not getting through. Go to CNN, Bloomberg, food recipe sites, medical sites, etc. Autoplay is Not Off. Windows 10 and Android, the very latest public releases. You open a page. A big box at the top has something it it. That something is video. The video loads. By the time you scroll down, it starts to play. Oh, and it jumps into…

Just tried opening a CNN (video on top), Bloomberg (video on top) and Epicurious (video on right) page on a fresh profile (using FF 80.0 on Linux) and modifying this option from the Preferences menu. Thus for: "Allow Audio and Video" video autoplays and audio is sound, "Block Audio" video starts playing and no audio is sound (audio is muted), "Block Audio and Video" video doesn't autoplay. So either a bug on Windows…

Just confirmed on Android that Firefox is not honoring block autoplay video and audio (Settings -> Site Permissions -> Autoplay). 81.1.1

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

#280

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Just tried opening a CNN (video on top), Bloomberg (video on top) and Epicurious (video on right) page on a fresh profile (using FF 80.0 on Linux) and modifying this option from the Preferences menu. Thus for: "Allow Audio and Video" video autoplays and audio is sound, "Block Audio" video starts playing and no audio is sound (audio is muted), "Block Audio and Video" video doesn't autoplay. So either a bug on Windows…

Just confirmed on Android that Firefox is not honoring block autoplay video and audio (Settings -> Site Permissions -> Autoplay). 81.1.1

I scrolled the pages using the mouse. It is possible that on Android scrolling is a gesture that is an interaction which activates autoplay. Maybe there is an option that overrides this but you should file a bug report as by default someone will expect to block it.
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