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James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Richard Stallman on James Gosling: “[…] a friend of mine told me that because of his work in early development of Gosling Emacs, he had permission from Gosling in a message he had been sent to distribute his version of that. Gosling originally had set up his Emacs and distributed it free and gotten many people to help develop it, under the expectation based on Gosling’s own words in his own manual that he was going t…

I suspect there may also be another side to this story.

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Richard Stallman on James Gosling: “[…] a friend of mine told me that because of his work in early development of Gosling Emacs, he had permission from Gosling in a message he had been sent to distribute his version of that. Gosling originally had set up his Emacs and distributed it free and gotten many people to help develop it, under the expectation based on Gosling’s own words in his own manual that he was going t…

That's really disgusting behavior.

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Richard Stallman on James Gosling: “[…] a friend of mine told me that because of his work in early development of Gosling Emacs, he had permission from Gosling in a message he had been sent to distribute his version of that. Gosling originally had set up his Emacs and distributed it free and gotten many people to help develop it, under the expectation based on Gosling’s own words in his own manual that he was going t…

I suspect there may also be another side to this story.

Here's at least part of it: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dhrcxw/james_g...

And a transcript if you don't like video: https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/20... The Stallman stuff starts on page 30.

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Richard Stallman on James Gosling: “[…] a friend of mine told me that because of his work in early development of Gosling Emacs, he had permission from Gosling in a message he had been sent to distribute his version of that. Gosling originally had set up his Emacs and distributed it free and gotten many people to help develop it, under the expectation based on Gosling’s own words in his own manual that he was going t…

I suspect there may also be another side to this story.

RMS is very critical of things and as much as I have great respect for him I cant just take his side without all the facts. I dont even know a single person paying for emacs today either way. Seems like an old beef thats dead as dead can be considering GNU Emacs seems to have won out. Unless you are Walter Bright, you do you sir, you are awesome! I guess same with Linus who uses Micro Emacs if I remember correctly.

I always wanted to get more into emacs but I spend more time fighting the setup to bother anymore. I love Spacemacs but I am leaning more towards Neovim + Spacevim since its pretty damn nice.

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect there may also be another side to this story.

Here's at least part of it: https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/dhrcxw/james_g... And a transcript if you don't like video: https://archive.computerhistory.org/resources/access/text/20... The Stallman stuff starts on page 30.

Gosling's version paints a decidedly different picture than the GGP's quote from RMS.

I wonder if RMS was mad at Gosling for having the temerity to allow Unipress to sell his (Gosling's) version of Emacs, instead of leaving the Gosling version free for everyone as required by RMS's personal purity code?

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Richard Stallman on James Gosling: “[…] a friend of mine told me that because of his work in early development of Gosling Emacs, he had permission from Gosling in a message he had been sent to distribute his version of that. Gosling originally had set up his Emacs and distributed it free and gotten many people to help develop it, under the expectation based on Gosling’s own words in his own manual that he was going t…

That's really disgusting behavior.

> That's really disgusting behavior.

Whose — Gosling's, or RMS's?

Re: James Gosling: Java, JVM, Emacs, and Computing History [video]

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Richard Stallman on James Gosling: “[…] a friend of mine told me that because of his work in early development of Gosling Emacs, he had permission from Gosling in a message he had been sent to distribute his version of that. Gosling originally had set up his Emacs and distributed it free and gotten many people to help develop it, under the expectation based on Gosling’s own words in his own manual that he was going t…

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