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Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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post #119

At nearly 7,000 words, you probably don’t want to try reading this on an iDevice Wait, what? For most people, their iDevice will be the best reading experience they have access to.

> For most people, their iDevice will be the best reading experience they have access to.

The article is from 2012.

iDevices were a lot less impressive back then.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In all the places I've worked, every engineer knew there was another place where they'd likely earn significantly more. Yet, they didn't jump ship. These were not high turnaround places. Either my experience is exceptional, or your implication that money is the only thing that matters about a job is wrong.

Yeah. I left a good salary behind and went 1/2 time for a super small company this year. Great decision. Money isn’t everything.

That's easy to say after having had a high paying position for a while, which would give you the opportunity to build some financial stability. Never having had any stability, money plays a much larger role.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Whenever I look at staff that is not doing a good job, rightly or wrongly, I tend to focus first on the ones whom I feel are overpaid. In short, there is some value in not squeezing every last dollar out of your employer. Don't be underpaid, but don't make the other size of the negotiation feel like he/she got a bad deal.

Companies will never overpay in my experience. The weight of the "budget", the HR limits and the CEO policy is just impossible to skip. These all set the upper salary range.

You're not thinking of when "being overpayed" actually stands out: layoffs.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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post #175

I don't have proof but have a sneaking suspicion that there's a certain amount of gaslighting in the negotiation advice genre - all of them read like the sky is the limit if you were just good enough at negotiation, but they mix in anecdata of people who actually got high 5-6 figure improvements, vs the more likely outcome of a don't get me wrong, this is still GREAT, and if all these pieces get you to do is negotiat…

And imagine how readers from other countries feel! Even in Canada, the salaries people throw around in this forum are almost not believable

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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post #175

I don't have proof but have a sneaking suspicion that there's a certain amount of gaslighting in the negotiation advice genre - all of them read like the sky is the limit if you were just good enough at negotiation, but they mix in anecdata of people who actually got high 5-6 figure improvements, vs the more likely outcome of a don't get me wrong, this is still GREAT, and if all these pieces get you to do is negotiat…

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Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small companies with smart hiring managers or owners should know that if they pay candidates, especially highly skilled ones, not enough, they will probably jump ship after one or two years which is exactly the period after which employees reach a level of productivity that brings enough value for companies to justify the hiring.

In all the places I've worked, every engineer knew there was another place where they'd likely earn significantly more. Yet, they didn't jump ship. These were not high turnaround places. Either my experience is exceptional, or your implication that money is the only thing that matters about a job is wrong.

I always traded up.

I have the feeling, that i'm still having a similar amount of fun/happiness when i do my current job vs. my previous job but with more money.

More money means for me: less working later or nicer things now or faster/more stability & safety.

I have also seen enough people being afraid of quitting, people unable to quit, people who did not pull their weight, still complaining, still not quitting.

I have seen people not pulling their weight and being able to find a new/better job where they will still perform the same now just another company doesn't know what to do with them and just having them.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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post #175

I don't have proof but have a sneaking suspicion that there's a certain amount of gaslighting in the negotiation advice genre - all of them read like the sky is the limit if you were just good enough at negotiation, but they mix in anecdata of people who actually got high 5-6 figure improvements, vs the more likely outcome of a don't get me wrong, this is still GREAT, and if all these pieces get you to do is negotiat…

And imagine how readers from other countries feel! Even in Canada, the salaries people throw around in this forum are almost not believable

I fought my last employer to go from $17/hr to $18/hr starting, and they wouldn't budge. I'm 30, I have a degree, I had 2 years at the company (transferring to a different division) and another 4 years experience in a similar role. I've never in my life made more than $40k in a year.

People on this site have a completely bonkers perspective on what's normal.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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I believe California banned it, but there are services where companies can pull the current salary for prospective employees. That puts you at a serious disadvantage.

Those services should offer something to employees to spit out low, high, and median salaries for a specific job title at a company.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Nobody wrote their own stack top to bottom other than the TempleOS guy. He was the greatest programmer that ever lived.

He passed? I’m genuinely sorry to learn this. His work was a welcome reminder of unexplored possibilities.

He died in Aug of 2018.

Re: Salary Negotiation: Make More Money, Be More Valued (2012)

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post #93

One thing that happened to me a few years ago that pretty surprised me, went something like this: I applied to 2 FAANGs, got offers from both. The recruiter from the first company to give me an offer, told me it is pretty much non negotiable, "we have a little wiggle room but don't expect much, it's an amazing offer". It was higher than my then salary, but not by a huge margin. Then company B got back to me with a si…

Everything is negotiable. Proceed accordingly.
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