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Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#121
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I honestly don't get the point of the article. Is it supposed to be a jab at the modern mindfulness wave? Or is it actually speaking of "enlightenment" as it's understood in most spiritual practices, in which case none of the questions even make sense?

I didn't connect it to anything specific. I found it to be an interesting thought to chew on.

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#122
"The mechanism, the method of functioning if you will, by which the dream operates, by which functioning occurs here in Consciousness, is the same whether it is realized or not. This is why it is said that when the Understanding occurs, nothing happens. Nothing changes. Consciousness streams, functions, operates in a body/mind organism in which the Understanding has occurred in the same manner that it operates in the body/mind organisms in which there is not Understanding. Awakening or Enlightenment does not automatically suspend the normal means and method by which the dream unfolds; there is no transfiguration into a super human being of light or some such with paranormal powers, like in some of the fanciful storytelling. Who is there to be transfigured? Who is there to do anything?"

"Someone, perhaps it was Robert Adams, once suggested that there should be a Great Gathering Of Awakened Beings, and anybody who showed up would be immediately disqualified."

quotes from "Perfect Brilliant Stillness" by David Carse

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#123

Here's a story. Imagine a jigsaw puzzle. But not any jigsaw puzzle. An unbelievably huge jigsaw puzzle that's been mixed up with other jigsaw puzzles. Some of them are really old and faded. Some of them are brand new. Some are larger and some are smaller. The edges change from jagged to smooth. Like everyone else at the table, you've been trying to put this one puzzle together for years, trying out numberless pieces…

Thank you so much. I have rarely read someone expressing it so clearly.

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#124
post #93

This article is what yall want on the front page? The author submitted and probably vote-manipulated to get it there. It's a content-less article, it has nothing to do with hacker values or software or entrepreneurship. Please vote responsibly, everyone!

Regardless of how one feels about the article, the thread is surprisingly not bad, and it's an intellectually interesting topic that doesn't get discussed here much. That makes for a great submission! Your notion of what belongs here is narrower than what the site guidelines call for: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html . The best submissions are the ones that can't be predicted from any sequence ( https…

Well, observing the decrease in quality and increase in frustration on HN over the years, I'd double down on my opinion any day.

The more junk on HN that has nothing to do with code, the more people complain, the worse the quality is, etc. Year after year, it's held true.

I don't hesitate to posit either that moderation decisions have severely decreased the quality of the HN experience. A a cyber-hammer as the arbiter of discussions which they possess nothing worth contributing to, saying "these loosely worded guidelines are what is right" despite dozens, probably hundreds of conversations that moderation members have had with contributing individuals about what kind of posts belong on the front page.

Anyhow thanks for the links, they were "enlightening"

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#125
In my 20s I believed there was such thing as enlightenment. Now in my 40s, I don't believe in that anymore.

Some people decide to focus on problems and that inevitably leads to insights. It doesn't matter if the problem is programming a GPU, baking bread, making music, or understanding your inner world.

Obviously the longer you advance on a road the more insights you will have. We get wiser as we get older simply because we've lived longer.

In Spanish we have a saying "El diablo sabe más por viejo que por diablo" which can be translated to something like "the devil knows more because he is old than because he is the devil".

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#126

Wow, a lot of hate in the comments, and a lot of know-it-alls. I would say that, at the very least, worrying over these details would be a step along that road. And no, there is not widespread agreement on the speciific features. Some would say you cease to perdure in the phenomenal realm at all. Some would say you continue do altruistic things out of compassion. Some would say enlightenment is not possible in a sing…

Don’t throw around the word “hate” like that. Come on.

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to easy to reach enlightenment when you are living in a monastery with a bunch of dudes and no responsibilities but to "chop wood, carry water." But an enlightenment philosophy that can help a father of 3 with a hard marriage and a fulltime job or two...? Hmm, maybe the enlightment philosophy project will take a few thousand more years...

The Vimalakirti Sutra is about exactly this. Vimalakirti is a laymen householder who achieves enlightnment. Upon his passing, Buddha sends a bunch of spiritual masters and bodhisattva's to Vimalakirti's deathbed. Vimalakirti proceeds to chastise them for how useless their 'enlightenment' is when it doesn't help anyone in the real world, and is only a self centered quest to save one's ego from suffering. https://en.wi…

Within all these comments, to me this was the most enlightened.

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#128
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Philosophy is closely entangled with information technology.

Would you care to elaborate? I don't mean to be pigheaded, I'm not understanding the connection between philosophy and the science of information.

Philosophy is, literally, the love of knowledge. It covers a lot of ground, but much of that is directly or indirectly relevant to computing and information systems:

Epistemology, the nature of truth, value, aesthetics, ontology, logic, proof, categories, symbolic logic, quantity, ethics and morality....

https://philosophy.lander.edu/intro/what.shtml

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/truth/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/epistemology/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-fuzzy/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/logic-provability/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/aristotle-ethics/

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/computer-science/

https://cse.buffalo.edu/~rapaport/Papers/rapaport_phics.pdf

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#129
post #11

Zen saying: "Before enlightenment chop wood, carry water. After enlightenment chop wood, carry water" . Some more from Ram Dass: “Just because you are seeing divine light, experiencing waves of bliss, or conversing with Gods and Goddesses is no reason to not know your zip code.” "If you see yourself as God and then you come back from this state and somebody says, "Hey, Sam, empty the garbage!" it catches you back int…

It seems to easy to reach enlightenment when you are living in a monastery with a bunch of dudes and no responsibilities but to "chop wood, carry water." But an enlightenment philosophy that can help a father of 3 with a hard marriage and a fulltime job or two...? Hmm, maybe the enlightment philosophy project will take a few thousand more years...

There is also Vyadha Gita within Mahabharata. In it a sanyasi learns of enlightenment from a lowly butcher.

Re: You're enlightened – now what?

#130
Very scattered post. I guess the confusion about enlightenment these days is grounded in the conflict between the actual traditional concept and the way spiritual practises have been sold as a sort of productivity booster pack for knowledge workers.

In many religious traditions enlightenment is nothing less than the annihilation of the self or something of the sort. It's a proper recognition or awareness of one's own nature, absence of desire, superficial rewards, it's not easy to put into words but I think most people get the point.

This has gotten lost in all the self-help posts about meditation and it's been turned into a commodity on app stores and whatnot and now people treat it like a snickers when your blood sugar is low.

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